Comparing Strength\'s and weaknesses of Cardrunners and Pokerxfactor
 

Hi, I'm looking into either getting cardrunners or pokerxfactor. I'd like to hear some peoples opinions on the strengths and weaknesses of both sites. I am looking to get it more for the mtt aspect of it which I guess means that pokerxfactor is more suitable. However I like the fact much better that on cardrunners it is the actual video and not just rerecorded afterwards. Anyway i'm just looking to get peoples opinions on what they like and don't like about each site.

Also it looks like you can buy individual videos incase I want to try it out before I get a subscription, does anyone have a recommendation on a really good video to test? I heard that actionjeff's videos were really good. thanks for the input.

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Adanthar's videos (all MTT so far) are SICK good. I'd definitely recommend trying them out. However, two (out of 6 total I think, he hasn't been with CR that long) of his videos are just a replay of the hands that he played, but I think it worked very well.

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If you want MTT go with pokerxfactor, of course CR does have mkind.






That mkind comment was a joke, btw. I think his videos are a running joke by CR.

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cardrunners uses the replayer as well for mtt's i believe and they dont have as good of a collection on MTT's as pokerxfactor...

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Pretty sure both cardrunners and PXF both have some live mtt videos. I just let my pxf lapse and am sticking with CR, but I am not playing many mtts at all, so that's partly why, but I just like the better variety with CR, and they do put up a lot of mtt videos, at least 2 a week or whatever.

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I've been a member of both and would say that PXF is really good for limit holdem and MTTs and runners is the nutz when it comes to all forms of NL. I can't say much about PLO as I don't play it.

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My housemate has a PXF account and we both have CR accounts - he doesnt really use the PXF account and in general says it isnt as good.

The Adanthar vids are solid, and the old ActionJeff vids on CR are meant to be awesome too - i cant really recommend beyond that as ive not sample the MTT vids that widely.

A lot of people hate on mkind. I have no opinion but im sure you will learn something - he gets a lot of heat but there are a lot of people who respect his play too.

Also, rumours are CR is negotiating a top MTT player but thats just a rumour and its some time away.

If you only want to learn MTT play and you only have to choose one site then PXF is likely the best simply because its a community built around MTT play (from what i can tell).

But if you want to learn more than that, then id recommend CR with the likes of Adanthar, Brian Townsend, Taylor Caby, CTS, Schneids and the cult legend that is Jackal69 (in no particular order).

TBH, i think the 3 CTS vids, the only Jman vid and the sizable back catalog of Taylor and Brian covers the cost of the sub easily.

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PXF says if you dont subscribe for one month it weill result in termination, and you will have to pay setup fee again? wtf is this [censored]? Actually it doesnt say WILL have to it says CAN result in ahving to resign up with setup fee?

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if you dont continue subscription of PXF for one month, but then want it again, you have to pay the 125$ setup fee again? This is what site says. . . . ? true?

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CTS, Green Plastic and sbrugby vids are definately worth it. Stick w/ cardrunners

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if you dont continue subscription of PXF for one month, but then want it again, you have to pay the 125$ setup fee again? This is what site says. . . . ? true?

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CardRunners is the same way.

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if you dont continue subscription of PXF for one month, but then want it again, you have to pay the 125$ setup fee again? This is what site says. . . . ? true?

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CardRunners is the same way.

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if this wasnt the case id prolly drop some money on them.

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The reason for this is to protect themselves. They're constantly adding videos to their library, so why should they do that if you just join for a month, watch everything, then cancel the subscription, and rinse + repeat in another 4 months?

I should add that I believe they do allow you to renew if you only canceled for a month or two, as long as you don't abuse it in the way I said above.

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I should add that I believe they do allow you to renew if you only canceled for a month or two, as long as you don't abuse it in the way I said above.

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I think I remember reading that you can wait for up to three months without having to pay the signup fee again at Cardrunners.

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I've been a member of both and would say that PXF is really good for limit holdem and MTTs and runners is the nutz when it comes to all forms of NL. I can't say much about PLO as I don't play it.

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PXF has limit holdem?? I dunno about that. CR is very good for LHE now, added a lot in the last little while.

I let my PXF lapse for a while before, a couple of months, and they let me sign up again with no setup fee, but I dunno whether I was just lucky or not. I've also heard that cardrunners has a set time period for this that's not too bad (I feel like it's 3 months but I don't wanna say for sure, cause I'm not 100% on it).

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To protect themselves maybe... But uf i try one, think its good, then want to try the other and it sux, i dont want to go back to the first one again if it cost another 125$... lol that would cost me around 500$ to find out which one is better.

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Tournament vids are much better in a replayer than live. The only thing you miss out on are occasional timing tells, but with the live vids, you get waaaaaaaaaaay less info in the same amount of time. You spend so much time just watching the player fold 72o and such. The fact that more of their vids are done on a replayer is pretty much the only thing PXF has going for them. The fact that they have a larger number of tournament videos is nice, but so many of them are by the same people that you aren't really getting that much variety.

Tournament videos by Adanthar, ActionJeff, and AaronBeen on CR are better, on average, than the PXF stuff, plus your subscription gives you access to amazing cash game videos by CTS, sbrugby, Jman, etc. Even if you don't play cash much, you should watch these just to improve your understanding of the game.

PXF is probably a little better if you're very new to tournaments and need a more comprehensive introduction to what you should be trying to do and why. But for sophisticated play, I much prefer CR.

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Yea I'm looking for more of the late game situations in mtts. Like when it gets down to the final 3 tables what style of play or adjustments need to be made. I also want to see how they go about restealing as im sure this becomes very important late in tournaments.