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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5270134.html

here's what daniel says at one point:

Yet another tell can be spotted by the way players look at their hole cards. Instead of looking directly at their cards, they'll squeeze them, just looking at the side of the cards. If they see three pips, for example, you'll know they've got a 6, 7 or an 8.

If you notice someone habitually squeezing their cards, try to detect what their hand is by analyzing how much of their hole card is viewed. That may seem a little complicated, but it really does work.... END OF DANNY COMMENT

what does he mean by 3 pips? and how can i tell what "they"
see?..... sorry, i don't have a deck of cards on hand, otherwise, i'd have a look.

i actually like danny's column. somewhat simple but very straight-forward and quite insightful.

thanks in advance for any responses!!

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It sounds like he is saying that if they are sloppy while peeking at their hole cards, you should feel welcome to take a peek.

Up and down the long side of the card, when some one is lifting them, you will be able to count the marks that you see.

A six has three pips on one side, and three pips on the other side.

By the way, this is hardly a "tell."

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He's not saying to peek at their cards. What he's saying is that if people are looking their pips, then the amount of card they will need to see to know whether it's an A, paint, or 6, 7, 8 is quite a bit different.

Not sure that I'd be able to pull that off...

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He's not saying to peek at their cards. What he's saying is that if people are looking their pips, then the amount of card they will need to see to know whether it's an A, paint, or 6, 7, 8 is quite a bit different.

Not sure that I'd be able to pull that off...

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i was sloppy on the question and negreanu on the wording. he says you can tell what they see. i'm not so sure about that.

anyhow, thanks for the responses so far.

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this makes no sense to me

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when u squeeze u hold the card horizontally to the table and block out the number/letter in the top corner with ur thumb. the only thing u see as u bend the top (i.e. side) of the card are the pips.

now if u have a ten, u won't have to wait very long to work it out because you'll have 4 big pips staring at u. it could also be a 8/9 so wat ppl do at this point is release the thumb to see whether it is a 8, 9 or T rather than kp squeezing (try squeezing a card horizontally. it doesn't bend very nicely after 1/3 of the way down).

now if u had an ace, deuce or trey and u squeezed, u'd see nothing to begin with. just plain white cardboard. this is the whole reason ppl squeeze. it's just so damn exciting! lolz. so neway now u no u might have an ace and so u squeeze slightly more until u see 3, 2 or 1 symbols in the middle. what negreanu is saying is that if u see them squeeze lots of the card then they got A,2 or 3 whereas if they squeeze a little it's more likely to be T/9/8 etc. that's my interpration at least

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now if u have a ten, u won't have to wait very long to work it out because you'll have 4 big pips staring at u. it could also be a 8/9 so wat ppl do at this point is release the thumb to see whether it is a 8, 9 or T rather than kp squeezing (try squeezing a card horizontally.

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Good explanation. Just a nit: An eight has just 3 outer pips in most modern decks.

http://nifty.stanford.edu/2004/EstellCardGame/8s.gif

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jcl: Thanks for clearing that up. I am imagining that if someone looks at their cards like that, a tell is the least of their weaknesses.

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WHAT IS A PIP ON A CARD???

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SNOWBALL!!!!!!!

A PIP IS EITHER A HEART, SPADE, DIAMOND, OR CLUB. THAT IS A PI ON A CARD. HOW DO YOU TYPE LIKE THIS WITHOUT GOING NUTS? i KEEP ON MAKING LOWER CASE LETTERS AND MISPELLING FOR SOME REASON!

tYAPING IN ALL CAPS TILST THE LIVEING HIEELLLL OOUT OF ME!

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A PIP IS EITHER A HEART, SPADE, DIAMOND, OR CLUB.

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that's a suit

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A PIP IS EITHER A HEART, SPADE, DIAMOND, OR CLUB.

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that's a suit

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The pip is the little picture of the heart, spade, diamond, or club. The 4 of clubs will have 4 little pictures (pips)of clubs.

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Let me get this straight. You have been registered at this forum for more than 4 years, have less than 800 posts, and you posted a response to this?

Pip is a character from some Charles Dicken's novel.

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Pip is a character from some Charles Dicken's novel.

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Do you remember his cohort, Squeak?

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I get what he's saying, but that would be so hard to pull off.

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it doesn't really narrow down middle cards or paint since u see u have either straight away. but it should let u see an ace if ur really perceptive and they're really obvious since as I said before, an ace will be bent a bit more than the rest and bent as much as a deuce or trey. since they fold the deuce or trey, they must have the ace if they continue!

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Anyone who plays live with me, I squeeze a ton because it's awesome.

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whoever squeezes their cards in such a way that they have to count the freakin pips is retarded

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whoever squeezes their cards in such a way that they have to count the freakin pips is retarded

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QFT. People do this just for the "excitement", or the "rush". I have a friend who squeezes his cards as slowly as possible every time. He does the same thing at 3-Card Poker. He is of course, by his own admission, a hopeless and degenerate gambling junkie.

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whoever squeezes their cards in such a way that they have to count the freakin pips is retarded

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QFT. People do this just for the "excitement", or the "rush". I have a friend who squeezes his cards as slowly as possible every time. He does the same thing at 3-Card Poker. He is of course, by his own admission, a hopeless and degenerate gambling junkie.

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okay buddy, keep looking at your cards and getting a hardon while you count the number of little colored shapes on the cards. hmmm, I dont know, maybe you should be using that time to be looking at other players instead of staring at your own cards; they're not gonna change no matter how long you stare at them. now that you mention it, every time i sweat a skilled player, he/she takes at least 10 seconds to identify his cards.

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Pips are small but easily countable items. It is used to describe the dots on dominoes, dice, denote suits, and is the name for the seeds of fruit. It could be used as a synonym for dot in most situations, for example morse code.

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In playing cards, pips are small symbols on the frontside of the cards that determine the suit of the card. A standard 52-card poker deck consists of four suits of thirteen cards each: spades, hearts, clubs, and diamonds. Each suit contains three face cards - the jack, queen, and king. The remaining ten cards are called pip cards and are numbered from one to ten. (The first card is almost always changed from "one" to "ace" and often is the highest card in the game, followed by the face cards.) Each pip card consists of an encoding in the top left-hand corner (and, because the card is also inverted upon itself, the lower right-hand corner) which tells the card-holder the value of the card. The center of the card contains pips representing the suit. The number of pips corresponds with the number of the card, and the arrangement of the pips is generally the same from deck to deck.

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Well played, sir.

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I know what DN is talking about and I'd guess I'm susceptible to this, but doubt I've ever been exploited by it.

I look at the opposite corners of the cards as soon as I get them, then wait my turn to look at the actual values. This way, I'll know something about my hand and get excited about the possibilities.

For example, if I look at two "none across" cards, I know I've got aces 1/11 times. Awesome! Same for looking at two paint cards, it's 3/11 that I've got a big pocket pair. Looking at a none-across and a paint could be AK and could be J2.

Playing live is really boring to me compared with playing 4 tables at once online. It's kinda stupid, but it passes time.

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WHAT IS A PIP ON A CARD???

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Indices (the numbers in the corners) did not appear on playing cards until about the 1860s. Just a point of information.

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whoever squeezes their cards in such a way that they have to count the freakin pips is retarded

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QFT. People do this just for the "excitement", or the "rush". I have a friend who squeezes his cards as slowly as possible every time. He does the same thing at 3-Card Poker. He is of course, by his own admission, a hopeless and degenerate gambling junkie.

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if i'm ever playing face down blackjack i always squeeze as slow and hard as possible. or pretty much any gambling table game where i am allowed to hold cards actually.

i normally don't squeeze when i play poker, but if someone is sweating me, i almost always squeeze to put on a good show.