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Name Stake Hands Cash$$ Winrate vpip pfr agg
loloTRICKEDu NL $1000 (6 max) 242131 $244,771 5.05 26.71 17.90 3.51 23.64 50.02
StopLose NL $1000 (6 max) 215808 $193,257 4.48 30.30 23.85 3.37 23.02 52.84
Liquid_Farts NL $1000 (6 max) 194351 $192,585 4.95 26.24 12.17 3.48 20.10 53.31
EmpireMaker2 NL $1000 (6 max) 170903 $183,974 5.38 23.09 15.95 3.01 22.91 55.04
XRatholerX NL $1000 (6 max) 254469 $167,060 3.28 20.17 14.98 2.70 22.82 51.48
TheBlackDeath NL $1000 (6 max) 186419 $146,037 3.92 19.81 16.46 4.06 22.70 49.76
RebuyFish NL $1000 (6 max) 90901 $142,602 7.84 29.58 22.78 2.71 26.69 53.69
le77er3 NL $1000 (6 max) 352979 $123,884 1.75 20.59 16.45 4.82 19.89 52.82
HMM_SURE NL $1000 (6 max) 190259 $117,706 3.09 29.25 8.18 2.99 20.42 47.55
BooostedJ NL $1000 (6 max) 184555 $109,942 2.98 21.37 16.83 4.22 19.65 52.98

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This is a datamine of the old 5/10 game on Partypoker. As you can see, the best players' winrates tended to approach 5PTBB/100 and not go much higher. Undoubtedly, the games now are much more difficult than the 5/10 on PartyPoker used to be, and so the achievable upper bound on winrates must have also decreased.

If you are a 5/10 regular, I'd like to request that you share with us the current winrate (over a semi-significant number of hands, at LEAST 60k~) that you are sustaining at 5/10, so that we can get an idea of what kind of winrates are currently achievable in the current climate of 5/10. There's no real reason to withhold it since the knowledge doesn't really give anybody any sort of edge over you, so it'd be nice if we could get a wide number of people so that we can get a good survey.

Personally I'm negative at 5/10 lifetime, so I don't have a winrate to report. Straate told me that he has about a 3.2PTBB/100 winrate over 55k hands (not very significant, but it's a start). OR, if anybody has been datamining 5/10, sharing a datamine would also be very useful.

Thanks.

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so just from hands after the date party closed to americans? what date was that again?

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WTF HMM_SURE on the list? He was about the worst short stacker ever from what I saw. Shows what I know I guess.

FWIW my lifetime rate at 5/10 is over 5 on Party, and has been pretty good since the US players left. It is harder to find decent tables now though and there are times when the small number of tables running are just about full of decent (or better) players.

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those games obv were much softer. i bet if you're good at poker like one of the best at 5/10 you can do like 5-7 pt bb. if you are mediocre you can do like 4-5 with good game selection and a lack of tilt.

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those games obv were much softer. i bet if you're good at poker like one of the best at 5/10 you can do like 5-7 pt bb. if you are mediocre you can do like 4-5 with good game selection and a lack of tilt.

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Assuming loads of hands I don't believe anyone can run with an expected long term winrate of over 7 now on PP, if you allow for the awful runs you get from time to time. I've not seen any stats even when there were the US players that showed 300k hands, say, at over 7 at 5/10 and it's harder now.

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im running 5.4bb/100 over 100k at 500+ I am running at >7 for 1k+ over 30k hands

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30k hands. lol.

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im running 5.4bb/100 over 100k at 500+ I am running at >7 for 1k+ over 30k hands

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Isn't that on Prima though or some other non US site? Impressive nonetheless, but for sites like Stars/FTP I think it'd be way difficult to sustain a > 5 ptbb winrate unless you are CTS or something. I imagine nobody on Stars is beating 5/10 for over 5, possibly TalentedTom is (just guessing since he had a 70k month at 3/6 the other month and moved up to 5/10).

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US players can play on prima. just no noe does since the softawre is ass ugly.

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I have been out of town but after I finish importing the last 10-15 days of Stars 5/10 hands I will look at the biggest winners since end of november and report back

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30k hands. lol.

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Yeah really. I'm at over 10 for my last 40k hands at 5/10 but so what, it's obviously just variance. I could go another 40k hands of good cards, or have a 30k hand break even run.

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w/e 100k is a decent amount

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100k hands is most def not a decent amount.

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100k hands is most def not a decent amount.

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lol, this is so dumb, if anyone has 100k at 5+ at a limit they are probably just moved up, and over 100k your winrate would have changed substantially from the start to the end.

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Honestly worrying the best achievable winrate isn't worth the time. The only players on that list who have an easily copied style are BoostedJ and Le77er. The top of that list requires a ton of creativity that one can't copy. Try playing like Stoplose or Lolo for a week. You'll realize that they are freakishly good players, whose style is fluid enough that it isn't easily reproducable.

As for the postban winrates its only been two months and you are going to see players at the top who won the "variance lottery." I would be surpised if more than 10 players playing 5/10 have logged 80K+ hands post ban.

If you're looking to improve take a good look at how BoostedJ and Le77er played.

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30k hands. lol.

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It's not like he started a thread talking about his longterm winrate, he just answered a guys question with his results.

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This thread sucks.

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Honestly worrying the best achievable winrate isn't worth the time.

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true

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I would be surpised if more than 10 players playing 5/10 have logged 80K+ hands post ban.

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are you only talking about party?
i've played over 80k hands at 5-10 since the ban and i'm pretty sure there are a bunch of players who play a lot more than i do

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I have been out of town but after I finish importing the last 10-15 days of Stars 5/10 hands I will look at the biggest winners since end of november and report back

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please do sir, then something useful will come out of this thread

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I have been out of town but after I finish importing the last 10-15 days of Stars 5/10 hands I will look at the biggest winners since end of november and report back

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please do sir, then something useful will come out of this thread

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this is most hands excluding like 4 random days from december and is current through jan.8th.
3/6 and 5/10nl

it is sorted by most hands played
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/9...screensut8.png

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Wow that is depressing.

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While I dont have troubles believing that nobody is really winning more than 5PTBB/100 its very strange there wasnt one single score like 8 or 10 over 30k+ hands sample.

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While I dont have troubles believing that nobody is really winning more than 5PTBB/100 its very strange there wasnt one single score like 8 or 10 over 30k+ hands sample.

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at least there was an (8) over 30k hands, lol.

im about to start my first session of the new year, so im praying. i could sort for most won too and see if the shot looks much different if u guys want.

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p3achy_keen ftw

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i could sort for most won too and see if the shot looks much different if u guys want.

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could you sort by winrate?

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i could sort for most won too and see if the shot looks much different if u guys want.

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could you sort by winrate?

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ya but its gonna get dominated by people w/ <1k hands that have 54ptbb winrates

i was just thinking ill sort between 3/6 and 5/10 and post a screenshot from both

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if you sort by just amount of $ won you'll avoid the winrate problem of tiny samples

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this is since december?

my pt stats are wayyyyyyyyyyy diff. wierd.

ive played like 56k hands and up way more than 14k.

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wtf Vae Solis - Big Loser ?!!

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wtf Vae Solis - Big Loser ?!!

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hes been playing 200nl recently.

same with Redargoe, who i saw playing 5KNL not to long ago.

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this is since december?

my pt stats are wayyyyyyyyyyy diff. wierd.

ive played like 56k hands and up way more than 14k.

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straate im missing dec29-jan02 i think bc he was gone those days and i havent bothered to go find them to import. this is kinda a rough sketch.

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While I dont have troubles believing that nobody is really winning more than 5PTBB/100 its very strange there wasnt one single score like 8 or 10 over 30k+ hands sample.

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Yeah really, I find those stats amazing.

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Ok, I sorted for 3/6 and then 5/10 and took a screenshot for each by money won and #hands played. sorry if this is a little off and one of u made a few k more than is stated. i am missing dec29-jan02 i think and also like 2 more days.

3/6 hands played
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5...splayedbh9.png

3/6 $ wonb

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/9...oneywonzp5.png

5/10 hands played
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8...splayedux0.png

5/10 $ won
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/222...oneywonsv1.png

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Nice work Snipes.

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why is TheHumanChord playing 600nl again? last i saw he was a 1000/2000nl reg. busto?

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snipes thing is kinda messed up i think. this is like late-oct beginning of nov db of 5/10. (i missed like 4-5 days i think somewhere in there)

biggest winners (mined) 5/10 NL http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1...winnerswy6.jpg


5/10 NL most hands. http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8...splayedba0.jpg

edit: i took out my stats because like i feel like some people may thing this is some sort of brag post by me but its not.

but i think it was like
$62k 55k hands 5/10 NL 5.6 ptbb
$24k 22.5k hands 8.9 ptbb

ALSO! from dec-1 till like yesterday i had every day imported so since dec 1st everything should be right/very close to right.

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thanks for posting those

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To those who datamine FTP, are the winrates better there?

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wow vae is a huge loser

i haven't really played on stars since november but he wasn't playing nearly as laggy as those stats indicate

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To those who datamine FTP, are the winrates better there?

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im interested to see that too