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My Battle with mu_empire
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Can you talk about Laydown #3 plz? Wow. Does he only shove the nuts or something (I noticed he did the same in hand #1)? Or does he balance that move and you were just convinced he had it?
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Pretty entertaining McGipp. I'm also confused about hand #3 as well. Smells of bluff or slow play flush. You think he 2 outered you?
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my 3k was crucial eh?, oh and nh's too
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Wow, this is a sickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk suckout by aejowns (needed to hit A + K or running AA):
------------------ HAND #4 ------------------ Full Tilt Poker, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter Hero (BB): $4,280.25 SB: $5,256.30 Pre-Flop: A K dealt to Hero (BB) SB raises to $30, Hero raises to $111, SB calls $81 Flop: ($222) 9 9 K (2 Players) Hero bets $150, SB raises to $300, Hero calls $150 Turn: ($822) K (2 Players) Hero checks, SB checks River: ($822) A (2 Players) Hero checks, SB bets $799, Hero raises to $2,898, SB calls $2,099 Results: $6,618 Pot ($0.50 Rake) Hero showed A K (a full house, Kings full of Aces) and WON $6,617.50 (+$3,308.50 NET) SB mucked K 9 (a full house, Kings full of Nines) and LOST (-$3,309 NET) |
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lol sick marathon, that guy seems awful
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shove the river
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how do you not shove hand 4? cost you like 1k
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Wow, this is a sickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk suckout by aejowns (needed to hit A + K or running AA): ------------------ HAND #4 ------------------ Full Tilt Poker, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter Hero (BB): $4,280.25 SB: $5,256.30 Pre-Flop: A K dealt to Hero (BB) SB raises to $30, Hero raises to $111, SB calls $81 Flop: ($222) 9 9 K (2 Players) Hero bets $150, SB raises to $300, Hero calls $150 Turn: ($822) K (2 Players) Hero checks, SB checks River: ($822) A (2 Players) Hero checks, SB bets $799, Hero raises to $2,898, SB calls $2,099 Results: $6,618 Pot ($0.50 Rake) Hero showed A K (a full house, Kings full of Aces) and WON $6,617.50 (+$3,308.50 NET) SB mucked K 9 (a full house, Kings full of Nines) and LOST (-$3,309 NET) [/ QUOTE ] [x] soulread teh board |
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shove the river [/ QUOTE ] i know, i dont' wanna talk about it, thought this woudl look bluffier and get him to call with a nine whereas he might fold a nine to a shove its a shove tho most likely |
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hand 1 and 2, explain please. I would really like to know lol, hes hyper aggro why fold there?
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hand 1 and 2, explain please. I would really like to know lol, hes hyper aggro why fold there? [/ QUOTE ] risk reward he's hyper aggro but in weird spots, also he was tighter preflop HU than I am 6m. err, close anyays his vpip was around 30, a little under. craziest [censored] nit of all time if you ask me. |
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[ QUOTE ] hand 1 and 2, explain please. I would really like to know lol, hes hyper aggro why fold there? [/ QUOTE ] risk reward he's hyper aggro but in weird spots, also he was tighter preflop HU than I am 6m. err, close anyays his vpip was around 30, a little under. craziest [censored] nit of all time if you ask me. [/ QUOTE ] yea, hes about the spewiest 30vpip player i've ever played. also, sick session. i'd like to play another one of these with him - ive just about recoved from my last one. |
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Full Tilt Poker, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter Hero (SB): $4,534.50 BB: $3,296.50 Pre-Flop: A 8 dealt to Hero (SB) Hero raises to $60, BB raises to $180, Hero raises to $500, BB calls $320 Flop: ($1,000) 4 6 2 (2 Players) BB checks, Hero checks Turn: ($1,000) 6 (2 Players) BB bets $699, Hero calls $699 River: ($2,398) T (2 Players) BB bets $2,097.50 and is All-In, Hero calls $2,097.50 Results: $6,593 Pot ($0.50 Rake) Hero showed A 8 (a pair of Sixes) and WON $6,592.50 (+$3,296 NET) BB showed K Q (a pair of Sixes) and LOST (-$3,296.50 NET) sickeest thing EVER |
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the last hand is just epic.
entertaining read. |
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Some of your laydowns seem awful considering the rest of his hands.
Nice score. |
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Some of your laydowns seem awful considering the rest of his hands. Nice score. [/ QUOTE ] i folded for 6k more into a 2k pot with the fourth best overpair on a paired board, i folded for a second half pot bet OOP 175bbs deep with the fourth best overpair on a coordinated board where the top card paired the board against a player who raises top pair for information and protection, and i folded the worst possible full house for like 7 times the size of the pot on the river, in a spot where he almost never gets tehre with a flush, almost never bluffs, and can feasibly have 44 or 94 (if he opens it on the button) or even T9 because he is weird enough to check it behind on the flop and flat the turn. those don't seem that spectacular. |
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Some of your laydowns seem awful considering the rest of his hands. Nice score. [/ QUOTE ] /nielsio in bbv |
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wow dude why did you fold hand 3
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spam
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i watched a good deal of this match once it got to 10/20, good fun.
do you normally play a 36/24 game? i've been thinking about how to play optimally vs. a 30/29 hyper aggressive player like mu_empire, and it seems to me that the way to go is to either tighten up like you did or gamble with him. the problem with the tight approach is that he might quit you (as I sadly discovered) and that he seems to spew much less. i watched him play 5/10 a few days ago and he absolutely donated to a guy playing like a 50/40 game. i also noticed you seemed to be saving a lot of bets for the river. your river aggression frequency is huge over the 3k hands i have, just wondering if that's a sample size issue or a conscious adjustment. |
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wow dude why did you fold hand 3 [/ QUOTE ] i saw hand #3 go down and i think it was an easy fold. aejones tanked but i don't think he was ever strongly considering a call. |
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hand 3 for who cares:
------------------ HAND #3 ------------------ Full Tilt Poker, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter SB: $4,739.50 Hero (BB): $7,926.50 Pre-Flop: 2 2 dealt to Hero (BB) SB raises to $60, Hero calls $40 Flop: ($120) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, SB checks Turn: ($120) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero bets $100, SB calls $100 River: ($320) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero bets $311, SB raises to $4,579.50 and is All-In, Hero folds Results: $942 Pot ($0.50 Rake) SB mucked and WON $941.50 (+$470.50 NET) |
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Can you talk about Laydown #3 plz? Wow. Does he only shove the nuts or something (I noticed he did the same in hand #1)? Or does he balance that move and you were just convinced he had it? [/ QUOTE ] quoted for being ignored [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] |
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[ QUOTE ] Can you talk about Laydown #3 plz? Wow. Does he only shove the nuts or something (I noticed he did the same in hand #1)? Or does he balance that move and you were just convinced he had it? [/ QUOTE ] quoted for being ignored [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] "i folded the worst possible full house for like 7 times the size of the pot on the river, in a spot where he almost never gets tehre with a flush, almost never bluffs, and can feasibly have 44 or 94 (if he opens it on the button) or even T9 because he is weird enough to check it behind on the flop and flat the turn." |
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[ QUOTE ] Can you talk about Laydown #3 plz? Wow. Does he only shove the nuts or something (I noticed he did the same in hand #1)? Or does he balance that move and you were just convinced he had it? [/ QUOTE ] quoted for being ignored [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] well i can give you my opinion from watching the watch to hopefully tide you over until ae can answer. what kind of bluff/v-shoving worse are you expecting him to show up with? i don't think he'd shove a flush, not to mention he'd almost assuredly c-bet the flop with one. i feel the same for high diamonds (Adx, Kdx) in that mu_empire will bet the flop almost every time because he likes 3-betting a c/r (he's spewy in that way). the only hand i can maybe see is Ad9x or something like that, but again i don't think he's checking the flop, and even if he did i can't see him flatting the turn. from the flow of the match i don't see him shoving air here either, as he didn't seem to be tilting at all at this point. 44 makes SOOOO much sense to me, and i think he has it at least 75% of the time. edit: fwiw i think ae is wrong in that mu_empire could get to the river like that with 109 any reasonable % of the time, though his opinion is obviously more qualified than mine. |
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ty I read good
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Can you talk about Laydown #3 plz? Wow. Does he only shove the nuts or something (I noticed he did the same in hand #1)? Or does he balance that move and you were just convinced he had it? [/ QUOTE ] quoted for being ignored [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] well i can give you my opinion from watching the watch to hopefully tide you over until ae can answer. what kind of bluff/v-shoving worse are you expecting him to show up with? i don't think he'd shove a flush, not to mention he'd almost assuredly c-bet the flop with one. i feel the same for high diamonds (Adx, Kdx) in that mu_empire will bet the flop almost every time because he likes 3-betting a c/r (he's spewy in that way). the only hand i can maybe see is Ad9x or something like that, but again i don't think he's checking the flop, and even if he did i can't see him flatting the turn. from the flow of the match i don't see him shoving air here either, as he didn't seem to be tilting at all at this point. 44 makes SOOOO much sense to me, and i think he has it at least 75% of the time. edit: fwiw i think ae is wrong in that mu_empire could get to the river like that with 109 any reasonable % of the time, though his opinion is obviously more qualified than mine. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, this is a good analysis and I feel the same, but later on you see the guy making ridiculous spewtastic moves meaning rational analysis goes way down and absolute hand value goes up. But yeah, gameflow has to do with it as well. People change their play when it gets swongy. |
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semi-sick fold with deuces (although i admit i didn't see how big of an overbet it was at first). who is this mu_empire guy anyway? has he shared what he had that hand?
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wow wow oo very fun read aejones thank you. i played this guy briefly but quit him as he seemed to be playing reasonably well. now that i see these hands i'm going to looking out for him.
i like your 22 fold, as well as the two JJ folds. i really like the play of most of these hands, with the exception of some river raises (AJ v A4) that make no sense to me. feasibly given flow and how/how much you were bluffing they could be good but in a vacuum i don't get them at all. anyway sick sick session |
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wp sir
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i watched u guys for a few minutes.....i almost sat w/him right before you sat down after pasters thread, but realized that playing a maniac hu for 20% of my br prob wasnt too good.
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yea lol i forgot about the hand where i like minreraise him four times with top pair no kicker, but i was dying to felt based on the aggression on dry a hi flops in the match
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if you're gonna fold JJ on the 776 board to a raise, checking behind there on the flop is so much better... why did you bet?
if u check he will bluff into you or you'll get value easily but against someone hyper aggro bet/folding that board is awful imo |
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if you're gonna fold JJ on the 776 board to a raise, checking behind there on the flop is so much better... why did you bet? if u check he will bluff into you or you'll get value easily but against someone hyper aggro bet/folding that board is awful imo [/ QUOTE ] i agree that checking behind is viable, but i bet for value and to protect my hand becasue i can easily get CCed by draws and by worse one pair hands. bet folding is no where near awful for a 3x pot bet, i mean seriously? it's risk reward vs this guy, i wrote in my blog response to gabe that i would have called two kings instantly, and two queens after debate. it's mostly having to deal with the % of time he has an overpair and the size of it, and the amount of equity taht his overcard + club draw hands have vs my range. it is super unfortunate that my hand was at the bottom end of my made hand range for betting that flop, but i folded pretty quickly once he insta shoved. i might have tanked a lil but i think in my mind i folded almost the second he shoved. he was hyper aggro when checked to, but not hyper aggro to CR. my c-bets, in fact, had a tremendous success rate. |
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real nice job
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sick match, sick hands, still i'm never ever ever folding that 22
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[ QUOTE ] if you're gonna fold JJ on the 776 board to a raise, checking behind there on the flop is so much better... why did you bet? if u check he will bluff into you or you'll get value easily but against someone hyper aggro bet/folding that board is awful imo [/ QUOTE ] i agree that checking behind is viable, but i bet for value and to protect my hand becasue i can easily get CCed by draws and by worse one pair hands. bet folding is no where near awful for a 3x pot bet, i mean seriously? it's risk reward vs this guy, i wrote in my blog response to gabe that i would have called two kings instantly, and two queens after debate. it's mostly having to deal with the % of time he has an overpair and the size of it, and the amount of equity taht his overcard + club draw hands have vs my range. it is super unfortunate that my hand was at the bottom end of my made hand range for betting that flop, but i folded pretty quickly once he insta shoved. i might have tanked a lil but i think in my mind i folded almost the second he shoved. he was hyper aggro when checked to, but not hyper aggro to CR. my c-bets, in fact, had a tremendous success rate. [/ QUOTE ] you think a guy like this is going to check/call with worse hands than JJ often enough to make a flop cbet good? plz |
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