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Assuming that the Mets continue to blow their lead - and don't even make the playoffs - how would this rank in terms of biggest leads lost in baseball?

Is blowing a lead of about 7 games in the last few weeks historically notable (particularly when you consider they had the best record in the entire national league)?

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2005 CWS nearly had an enormous collapse

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what was their biggest lead for the wildcard?

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I think the 64 Phillies would win this discussion, followed by the 78 Red Sox. I think it's still rather unlikely the Mets miss the playoffs - BP still has them at 90%.

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Don't you think that a blown 7 game lead in the last month of the season would be a bigger collapse than the Red Sox blowing a 14 game lead with half the season left? (Or perhaps my memory is off about the numbers involved).

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no team has ever blown a 7 game lead on september 12th. Ever. Two teams have blown a 6 1/2 game lead on septemebr 12th. Mets had a 7 game lead on september 12th.

So it would technically be the biggest choke ever from sept 12th

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my dream NL playoffs of PHI/CHC/ARI/COL is still possible lololol

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What did the Red Sox do in 1978 when I was a kid that scarred me for the rest of my life. Okay, looked it up, I guess not so bad, 14 game lead early, and 10 game lead later, I forget now when did it say July or August? The Bucky [censored] Dent playoff game. Actually sounds like the Sox might equal that this year, but Wild Card sort of allievates the pressure.

Called the newspaper sport line every day for the scores. Check the box scores every day in the morning paper. I was 9, I had all the baseball cards for that year. Nothing to do but swimming and baseball.

It actually sounds like some kid who's a Mets fan might get it worse than I did.

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After checking, I see that the 1964 Phillies' collapse was worse. They were up 6 1/2 games with just 12 left (then lost 10 straight to finish 1 behind).

Still, this year's Mets - should the collapse continue - seemingly will rank in the top 5 of all time.

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mets are playing incredibly bad right now the phillies seem like they will catch them

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The Mets have to collapse first.

Two years ago the White Sox sputterred at the end and went on to win the World Series.

Last year the Tigers sputterred into the playoffs and made it to the World Series.

While I do not doubt the Mets will gag, wait until it happens before we rate it.

If they do gag down the stretch it makes my personal top 3.

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After checking, I see that the 1964 Phillies' collapse was worse. They were up 6 1/2 games with just 12 left (then lost 10 straight to finish 1 behind).

Still, this year's Mets - should the collapse continue - seemingly will rank in the top 5 of all time.

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1964 Phillies is always #1

GO CARDS!

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big if, let's see if the phillies can actually win the division first

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#2 in my book, second only to a Cubs collapse and a close third would be the Red Sox.

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'51 Dodgers is the greatest collapse.

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yeah, can't believe nobody has mentioned the Dodgers 51 collapse yet in such a discussion.

64 Phillies too obviously. Lose 10 straight at the end? Epic.

metsandfinsfan - where did you find your information on the 6.5 gms at Sept 12 type stuff?

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yeah, can't believe nobody has mentioned the Dodgers 51 collapse yet in such a discussion.

64 Phillies too obviously. Lose 10 straight at the end? Epic.

metsandfinsfan - where did you find your information on the 6.5 gms at Sept 12 type stuff?

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they showed it on SNY in the postgame report

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Metsfinfan,
Picking Sep 12th is so arbitrary.

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I made a post about this topic yesterday. The Phillies win this discussion. On September 12th, the Mets had 17 games left to play while the Phillies only had 12 left when they were up 6.5 games. Also, during the Phillies 10 game losing streak they lost 7 games at home. To lose 7 games at home at the end of the season is just horrible.

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I don't think there's any real doubt that the Phillies win. But I was just curious whether the Mets' collapse this year (if it happens) would even be historically notable. And it appears that it is, since it would seem to make a top 5 list, at least.

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I think this Mets collapse would be the 3rd worst ridiculous in baseball history...

51 Dodgers
64 Phillies
07 Mets

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If the Red Sox and Mets both fail to win their division, the Mets' collapse would rank below the Red Sox' collapse.

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If the Red Sox and Mets both fail to win their division, the Mets' collapse would rank below the Red Sox' collapse.

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Except that the Red Sox would still make the playoffs as a wildcard, and the Mets quite possibly wouldn't (if they lost enough to fall out of the divisional lead).

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If the Red Sox and Mets both fail to win their division, the Mets' collapse would rank below the Red Sox' collapse.

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No The Red Sox huge lead was a long time ago, AND theyde still make the playoffs. Plus, the Yankees are actually good. The Phillies suck.

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If the Red Sox and Mets both fail to win their division, the Mets' collapse would rank below the Red Sox' collapse.

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The Sox still make the playoffs, so the significance of it is drastically reduced, IMO. It appears (currently) that the NL West will have the wildcard, so the Mets losing the division would have them watching the first round of the playoffs on tv.

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If the Red Sox and Mets both fail to win their division, the Mets' collapse would rank below the Red Sox' collapse.

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Difference is the Red Sox have a nearly guaranteed fall-back. The Mets Wild Card fall back is not nearly as secure.

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What about the fact that the RedSox basically will win the wild card 100%? I think that makes it less drastic imo.

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What about the fact that the RedSox basically will win the wild card 100%? I think that makes it less drastic imo.

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What if the Red Sox have a 5 game losing strk at the exact same time as a Yankees/Tigers 5 game winning streak. Oh wait, thats impossible and ridiculous.

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'51 Dodgers is the greatest collapse.

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I don't know much about that season, but just from reading that, wasn't that more about the Giants getting superhot than the Dodgers choking? What were the records of both teams from August 12 on?

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I think the 2005 Washington Nationals collapse was much worse than any of these mentioned. I don't see how they don't blow any of these other puny collapses out of the water.

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I think the 64 Phillies would win this discussion, followed by the 78 Red Sox. I think it's still rather unlikely the Mets miss the playoffs - BP still has them at 90%.

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What is BP? Is it a playoff projector or something?

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I think the 64 Phillies would win this discussion, followed by the 78 Red Sox. I think it's still rather unlikely the Mets miss the playoffs - BP still has them at 90%.

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What is BP? Is it a playoff projector or something?

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Link

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I think the 64 Phillies would win this discussion, followed by the 78 Red Sox. I think it's still rather unlikely the Mets miss the playoffs - BP still has them at 90%.

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What is BP? Is it a playoff projector or something?

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Thanks.

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If the Red Sox lose the division title to the Yankees, I'd hardly call it a collapse even if they didn't win the WC.

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lol bump

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last year with about 12-14 games left in the yr st louis lost 8 games in the standing to houston in 8 days who pulled within half a game

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The collapse tonight was epic.

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I guess, Florida did have a billion hits, though.


64 Phillies was the worst btw, capped off by a guy stealing home to lose the last game.

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how has nobody mentioned the 95 angels blowing a 13 game lead in mid-august to seattle?

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64 phils lost 2 games in that streak on steal of home