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9 handed live. Villain is slighty tricky, will stab at pots on the flop and fold to aggression, will usually SD the winner.

UTG2 limps, CO limps, I raise with 77. SB calls, BB calls.

Flop Q,7,4 rainbow. UTG2 checks, CO checks, I bet, SB raises, folded to me, I 3 bet, SB caps.

Turn 10. SB bets, I raise, SB 3bets, I call.

River A. I check/call.

Did i slow down too early, too latew? Do i play it more aggressively, more passively?

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Does slightly tricky villain fastplay strong hands or limp QQ? I think you can cap the turn and bet the river (or just call if he leads again). I think you beat two pair more than you lose to an overset.

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I don't raise this preflop. Maybe I'm wrong of course.
I think you can cap the turn (villain didn't play preflop like he had QQ)
and lead the river.

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Don't care for the raise pre-flop.
This is 44 or two pair way more often than it is QQ or AA, keep raising.

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with your preflop raise he probably puts you on overpairs.

Likely he has two pair here therefore i cap turn and call reraise on the river as he could be slowplaying pockets if he keeps aggro going.

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I wouldn't raise this guy preflop with two limpers in front.

I play flop the same way.

I'd cap the turn. There are no straight or flush possibilities, so the only hands that beat you are QQ and TT.

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grunch

I think you should cap the turn, I would expect him to raise QQ preflop and thats the only hand that beats you on the flop. He could have 1010 but I don't think he caps the flop with that. I feel you're way ahead in this hand and should be capping the river.

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Why are we raising pf?

As played, 44 is way more likely than QQ. Put in more monies.

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Why are we raising pf?

As played, 44 is way more likely than QQ. Put in more monies.

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I think online this is standard. Live i think its table/player dependant. The table was quite tight at the time.

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what everyone's problem with pfr?? what's wrong with kicking out the blinds? He said this guy folds to aggresion so any folding overcards are good here right?

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grunching.

From villian's line, he seems to be holding, a top Q split pair, strong kicker. or 44. TT's not likely, as I doubt he'll cap the flop with TT. What is his usual style on the turn, does he 3bet with top pair, top kicker? If this level of aggression by him is extraordinary, then he could be holding the dreaded QQ. I would deem him to have very little chance of holding a KJ, he won't have capped your aggression on the flop.

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5bet the flop

4bet the turn

2bet the river

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btw i think i probably go ~7 bets on this turn

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His range is still pretty much 44 on the turn so I cap it.

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clarification here... is there a cap? because before you posted crown hands which have no cap, but in the op you use the word 'cap' when vil 4bets the flop

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Yep, I mean 4 bet is a cap for the sake of posters who mostly play online with a 4bet structure.

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go infinity bets on the turn.

serious response: cap all streets unless a Q, T, or 4 comes.

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only hand you fear is QQ and I don't doubt he has it, but I'd also think 44, AA, KK. I think live this is how I'd play it.

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in order for dude to have 2 pair he'd have to have Q4, Q7, 74 which are some seriously [censored] cards to cold-call the raise from SB. My range for dude would be AA, KK, QQ, 44.

Flop/turn AA(6), KK(6), QQ(3), 44(3) = 15 win, 3 lose
river AA(3), KK(6), QQ(3), 44(3) = 12 win, 6 lose

So yea, I'd cap the turn and call the river.

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*grunch*

Put more bets in. Does SB really not three bet preflop with QQ?

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in order for dude to have 2 pair he'd have to have Q4, Q7, 74 which are some seriously [censored] cards to cold-call the raise from SB. My range for dude would be AA, KK, QQ, 44.

Flop/turn AA(6), KK(6), QQ(3), 44(3) = 15 win, 3 lose
river AA(3), KK(6), QQ(3), 44(3) = 12 win, 6 lose

So yea, I'd cap the turn and call the river.

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this looks good, and we could even throw in Q7, if he completes any Q or Qxs, and maybe 74s.

also this is a live game where the cap doesn't come off HU? I read that it's capped at 4, but I'm still confused.

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Buzz, he didn't complete in the SB... he cold-called hero's raise.