Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

Villain is like a 44/22 donkkkkkkk.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed)

Hero ($757.50)
Button ($526.70)
SB ($396)
BB ($281.90)
UTG ($400)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, Button calls $12, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($30) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, Button calls $20.

Turn: ($70) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $54</font>, Button calls $54.

River: ($178) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $144</font> or checkraises....

Just seems like alot of two pair hands etc. would bet and maybe call a shove. While if I bet strong they will just call. So is a check more ideal in this spot?

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

i am the donk, please dont CR me

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

Checkraise seems good. He may even bet/call with KQ.

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

I think you need a good postflop read in order to make this a profitable play, does he call a cr all day with AQ/twopair?

If I'm not sure I'd just lead.

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

"a lot of 2 pair hands"

QJ and.......?

we're going to need a beter read on his postflop play too

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

bet

I'd be sick if it was checked down ... throw something out there and let him hang himself.

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

Like jkkkk said, you need a good postflop read. You need to know his tendency to try and steal a pot away from you.

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

You don't have enough information to c/r, just bet

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

depends how aggro he is. alot of donks will check behind once the backdoor flush/str8 possibilities arrive, so i think betting is better here.

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

Uggg, c/r is bad imo.

Some critical info is missing though, if his WTSD% is like 30%+, then maybe.

I will lead here almost always.

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

Donk can have JT/QJ and in my experience he will at the very least throw a small vbet with KQ. We are missing value vs KT/AT/T9 types of hands if we c/r, but I think we make up for that by getting value from JT/QJ/KQ/AQ. However, if he pushes his 2 pair hands here it is better to just bet out.

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

Actually when I think about this it seems that the QJ/KQ/AQ part of his range are slimmer because he probably minraises those. So it seems like it is not a good tradeoff to make. Bet 2/3 of the pot.

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

Bet yo

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

All depends on what kind of player he is, if he's aggro enough to try and value bet semi marginal hands like KQ/bluff missed hands here like KJ then absolutely, go for the CR, sure they won't pay you off but you'll still get value vs those hands and you'll get paid off by the 2 pair type hands (QJ, J-10) that you hope he actually has a decent % of the time. I'll be shocked if he won't risk value betting something like Q-10, QJ here with those kind of PT stats if you check it to him.

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

Seems like a pretty clear bet.

He's almost never drawing here, so you're hardly ever inducing a bluff.

He rarely has two pair+, since he hasn't put in a raise anywhere. He's most likely going to fold to a raise with any of his one pair hands, and if he does have a one pair hand, he's most likely going to bet smallish, which you won't.

You could go for a fake blocker, if you think he'll try to squeeze value out of you, and that he might fold a lot of his weak one pair hands to a big bet.

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

bet is way better, he's got too many one-paid decent showdownable hands that'll just check behind, but will probably call a third barrel cause thats what people do.

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

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bet is way better, he's got too many one-paid decent showdownable hands that'll just check behind, but will probably call a third barrel cause thats what people do.

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Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

All depends on his aggression #'s, a 22/44 donkk isn't making many of the 'standard' moves.

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

k just checking obviously only posted it because im results oriented I bet 144 and he calls QJ and I kind of got mad because with those stats I wanted to stack him [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

Re: Good spot for a river checkraise?....(400nl)
 

If you have a read on Villain's postflop play here how about weak lead/fake blocker here to induce raise? I undersand this is risky, but if you were considering a check raise here I think that this option should be considered as well. Seems that much of the time your hand can look like top pair here to villain if you were to a weak river bet (and as you say Villain could very well have top two after the river (or QT if Villain). Do you think Villain would be too scared of this board to be raising for value with 2pair here if it looked like you were trying to see a cheap showdown?