Calling out all full-time mid-level players...study group
 

Hi guys,

I am calling out all the full-time players that play in the 12's,24's,and 36's on FTP (or the
equivlanet levels on Stars). I am looking to set up a network of full-time players who meet together
daily on AIM or MSN to discuss poker and help one another out. As a full-time player, I feel that
while we all value the freedom of our working hours, we need a little bit of strucutre in our daily
work. This is where my idea comes in.

Think of this as sort of a daily "board meeting" amongst all the regulars. We all meet together
before we start our session as sort of a warm-up to get everybody in the right mindset before they
get down to "work".

Ideas for our daily meeting (duration 1 to 2 hours ):

1. Everyone brings trouble spots from their previous session and we have a moderator that directs

the discussion of each hand getting everyone to contribute their opinons to each hand.

2. Everyone submits one HH from the previous day and we each review one another's HH's.

3. Discuss any current trends/new developments we are seeing.

4. Discuss new ideas and ways to play certain hands. Help each other fix one another's soft spots.

5. A place to vent our frustrations and keep one another motivated to play.

6. Sharing of databases and resources.

7. Sharing of results to see how one another is doing.

8. putting together funds to hire a coach for the group/sign up for services.

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Please everyone let me know what you guys think of this idea. I have one person (Fishing2do) already

involved in this idea. Now most important thing is: I need everyone to have the discipline to stick

to this. If everyone can stick to this...this group can turn into a beautiful thing.

For those who are interested, I need certain information:

1. When do you start your session?
2. When is the best time for you to meet up? What hours would you prefer?
3. How long have you been playing? Your experience level?
4. What stakes do you play?
5. What site do you play on?
6. What qualities/skills do you think you can bring to this group?
7. Where are you geographically located? What is your timezone?

- cheers!

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I'd be interested. I'm not a 'full-time' player, but i'm very much trying to intensively learn the game.

1. No set time for playing
2. Don't really know to be honest. At night EST sometime is my best guess.
3. Been playing SnG's for just a month. Poker for 1.5 years.
4. 12's
5. FTP
6. Good analytical thinking, hopefully good deep stack play (i play looser than most deep).
7. EST

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Sorry for the choppiness of the post. I wrote it on notepad and pasted it.

Forgot to add in details about myself:

1. I playing between 6-3am
2. Best time for me would be 11am-12pm ET or 3-4pm ET
3. Been playing poker for almost 3 years. I came from a limit hold'em background. Been intesivley studying SNG's for about 3 months.
4. 24's
5. FTP
6. Hand reading and putting opponent on ranges preflop based on HUD stats.
7. EST

Please also add in areas in your game that are weak:

8. HU play.

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To DannyOcean_ and whoever else is interested...I am going to give this thread a day or two to generate interest. Once we get everyone in, I'll PM everyone the details of setting up the group, get everyone's email addresses and so on.

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I'd be interested. I'm not a 'full-time' player, but i'm very much trying to intensively learn the game.


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Same here!

1. In the evening (starting at around 11AM ET) until the games get dry.
2. Somewhere during that period
3. Playing for a bit more than 1 year. STT's for around 4-6 month.
4. $22-$33 (Party) $6,5-$16 (Stars)
5. Party, Stars and sometimes FTP
6. Playing nitty and staying out of trouble!
7. Hamburg, Germany - 6 hours on the future of EST
8. Deep-Stack poker

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1. When do you start your session?
8pm EST

2. When is the best time for you to meet up? What hours would you prefer?
8pm EST

3. How long have you been playing? Your experience level?
6 years

4. What stakes do you play?
11s stts now used to be the biggest mtts have done 2000 22s party 500 55s on party

5. What site do you play on?
stars

6. What qualities/skills do you think you can bring to this group?
I have some thoughts on the gigabet dilemma, good grasp of the basics

7. Where are you geographically located? What is your timezone?
U.S. EST

Re: Calling out all full-time mid-level players...study group
 

I think my timezone might be a showstopper, if everybody else is USA/Canada. But if this cant be made to work, it might spawn enough interest for fellow europeans to make another similar group. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


1. When do you start your session?

~14 ET

2. When is the best time for you to meet up? What hours would you prefer?

8-18 ET

3. How long have you been playing? Your experience level?

2 years, like 4000sng's I think

4. What stakes do you play?

11s on Party

5. What site do you play on?

Party - but this is not a must

6. What qualities/skills do you think you can bring to this group?

Hard work, I know about poker software...

7. Where are you geographically located? What is your timezone?

Denmark, GMT+1

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1. When do you start your session?
6AM-9AM EST & 4PM-7PM EST
2. When is the best time for you to meet up? What hours would you prefer?
9AM-1PM
3. How long have you been playing? Your experience level?
1+.5 yrs with 1yr break in between. At least 5k tourneys ranging from $10-$50.
4. What stakes do you play?
$12-$36, $24 being my standard buyin
5. What site do you play on?
FTP
6. What qualities/skills do you think you can bring to this group?
The use of software and adjusting for players skill.
7. Where are you geographically located? What is your timezone?
I'm from the Netherlands, GMT+1

Re: Calling out all full-time mid-level players...study group
 

Keep 'em coming guys...we need more people for this group.

Anyways, this is how I think a daily meeting would go:

We choose a weekly moderator/host (or we can set a permanent moderator, up to everyone else). The job is of the host is to set an agenda of topics for the day and guide the discussion.

For instance, an agenda for a day could look like:

1. Trouble hands from last night.
2. Discussion of different ways to play AK in early levels.
3. Reviewing of one another's HHs.
4. Discussion of a SNG article.
5. Update on how everyone is doing.

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Some other ideas:

1. we can all contribute money to a pot and have an internal competition amongst us to keep us motivated to play. Have a leaderboard for the week, and whoever gets 1st wins the pot. Nothing serious, just for fun.

2. Once every week, we can have people vote for a certain topic to discussed in detail, and either 1) put funds to together to hire someone for a lecture session, or 2) get someone from within the group to give out the lecture.

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Just some ideas...guys feel free to add more ideas if you want.

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this is a good idea

1 around 2 est until 9-10 est
2 afternoon/ nights
3 1 year i think i have a lot to learn
4 16s mostly
5 stars mostly
6 i have experience playing shorthanded and HU
7 US EST

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I would be interested too!

1. When do you start your session?
Anytime [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
2. When is the best time for you to meet up? What hours would you prefer?
6PM-10PM
3. How long have you been playing? Your experience level?
About 3 years, STT,MTT and cash.
4. What stakes do you play?
22s and moving to 33s soon.
5. What site do you play on?
FTP
6. What qualities/skills do you think you can bring to this group?
A good comprehension of pushing and bubble play.
7. Where are you geographically located? What is your timezone?
I'm from Quebec, Canada. EST

Re: Calling out all full-time mid-level players...study group
 

Sounds like a terrific idea. I would definitely be interested. im a near-full time player, been playing 22s and 33s, just switched over to FTP and have been running badly since.

1.Varies, in general i play 5 hours sometime between 3pm and midnight EST

2. afternoon/evening

3. 2 years.

4. 22s to 33s usually.

5. just switched to FTP

6. Solid understanding of STT equity and low/high blind play (mid blind is my weakest i believe)

7. Maryland USA (EST)

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Looks like we have 8 interested people right now. I am going to give this thread 1 more day. Afterwards all of you will recieve a PM from me.

Note: No offense guys, but only join if you are 100% serious and will be dedicated to making this group work. I have no problem if you only want to join in periodically. But if you want to join full-time (I know we all have busy schedules) I expect you all of you to meet up during our set times the majority of times.

Sorry if I sound like a drill sergeant, but to really make this group work we all need to be dedicated to this and come prepared with ideas to discuss.

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Im so in.

1. When do you start your session?

Around 10am~~ wich is 8pm my time.

2. When is the best time for you to meet up? What hours would you prefer?

When ever im on the computer. So pretty much 8-18 ET.

3. How long have you been playing? Your experience level?

Few months, played some mtt's with good success and now giving sng's a go.

4. What stakes do you play?

5's and 10's

5. What site do you play on?

FTP/PARTY

6. What qualities/skills do you think you can bring to this group?

i can contribute alot of intresting hands and im hard worker fast learner.

7. Where are you geographically located? What is your timezone?


Finland, gmt+2 i think.



This seems pretty cool idea, hope ill make it. I want to suggest making a irc channel since irc > msn > aim.

Re: Calling out all full-time mid-level players...study group
 

Malifous,

care to elaborate on the IRC channel? I have no clue what it is or what it does. Why is it better than MSN/AIM?

What do you guys think of making a website where you can post hands to view for everyone, posts results, etc etc?

Does anybody know what kind of costs would be involved?

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1. 3pm to 7pm
2. same, or during week ends
3. 2.5 years
4. 27s and 60s
5. PS
6. Hands reading and play vs regulars
7. London, GMT

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What do you guys think of making a website where you can post hands to view for everyone

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If only something like this existed...

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Malifous,

care to elaborate on the IRC channel? I have no clue what it is or what it does. Why is it better than MSN/AIM?

What do you guys think of making a website where you can post hands to view for everyone, posts results, etc etc?

Does anybody know what kind of costs would be involved?

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Its a chat channel running on server wich is up 24h/7 and everyone can join to the channel at any time possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC

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I'd be interested. I'm not a 'full-time' player, but i'm very much trying to intensively learn the game.

1) 8 Pm German Time (2 PM ET)
2) 8PM - 1AM German Time (2-7 PM ET)
3) SNGs about 1,5 years - limit poker before
4) 22$ - 55$
5) party, stars, bodog
6) a lot of hands +willingness to discuss hands + a good basic and mathematical understanding
7) Germany, GMT+1

Re: Calling out all full-time mid-level players...study group
 

My contribution to this thing getting off the ground is that daily is never going to work. It just won't: people have lives, people are at different time zones, etc etc. I think this idea works best as a once weekly or twice weekly thing. People will perhaps be more regular if it is not every single day, and perhaps the eurodonks wouldn't mind altering their schedule once a week, whereas they couldn't meet every single day.

I expect that if we try to do this daily, it will disintergrate quickly. I motion for either once weekly or twice weekly meetings.

Re: Calling out all full-time mid-level players...study group
 

I think irc channel would solve that, there should be people all the time and you could organize a big meeting once/twice a week.

Re: Calling out all full-time mid-level players...study group
 

unfortunately i agree with Ocean on the 1 or 2 times a week. Id love for it to occur daily, but im sure myself and most others just couldnt make it. afterall, part of being a "pro" poker player is the lack of a rigid schedule (for most anyway)

whatever is decided ill try to accomodate, but at least at first less frequently may be the way to go.

looking forward to it!

DMM

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1. 8pm to 11pm
2. same, or during week ends
3. 3 years
4. 12s/16s/24s/27s/60s
5. PS and FTP
6. ICM calculation
7. PST

Re: Calling out all full-time mid-level players...study group
 

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My contribution to this thing getting off the ground is that daily is never going to work. It just won't: people have lives, people are at different time zones, etc etc. I think this idea works best as a once weekly or twice weekly thing. People will perhaps be more regular if it is not every single day, and perhaps the eurodonks wouldn't mind altering their schedule once a week, whereas they couldn't meet every single day.

I expect that if we try to do this daily, it will disintergrate quickly. I motion for either once weekly or twice weekly meetings.

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sounds good. How about we meet twice a week. Once midweek and once during the weekend. Or if everyone prefers we can just do it once every Monday.

Anything beside that...group members can of course meet as much as they want.

Feel free to add more suggestions/ideas guys.

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1. When do you start your session?

Whenever i wake up [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].. staring in Dec. i have a tenitive sch. made

2. When is the best time for you to meet up? What hours would you prefer?

whenever is good for the group... im in school but only taking online classes so im free whenever

3. How long have you been playing? Your experience level?

3 years-- but only serious for around 6 months

4. What stakes do you play?

11s and 22s on FTP and the 16s on stars

5. What site do you play on?

party back in the day... but FTP and Stars now. Mostly FTP though b.c. of rakeback

6. What qualities/skills do you think you can bring to this group?

theory of early game play (there are sooo many things that people do badly that are easy to capitalize on) Also, im getting pretty good at ICM on the bubble.

7. Where are you geographically located? What is your timezone? north west Florida. Central

check out my sharkscope stats. Gary212121 on stars and FTP.

also, check out my blog to show im deticated.

http://www.cardrunners.com/members/index...er&id=13314

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I think irc channel would solve that, there should be people all the time and you could organize a big meeting once/twice a week.

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Lets have a vote guys: would rather have an IRC channel or just use MSN messenger?

I vote MSN messenger because I am familiar with the way it works.

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I think irc channel would solve that, there should be people all the time and you could organize a big meeting once/twice a week.

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As some of you know our community already has an IRC channel:
STT IRC Channel

I haven't checked if people are still active/online in it but I think so.

I have to agree with DannyOcean as well, that this might work on a daily basis for all the "real" Full-Time players and probably just for a small group.

What about creating a poll once or twice a week where you can vote for a topic which will then be discussed in the channel with everybody who is interested? It wouldn't matter if some people do not show up. When you have a set time to meet in the channel and a topic which will be discussed everybody can look for sample hands during the week and might be thinking about questions they want to ask/discuss. Obviously you have the chance to do the likely within this forum as well, but maybe it helps some (me for sure) if you are able to get a more direct help and might even get the attention of the players to one of your posts which just hasn't gotten any answers.
A moderator is a must imo. It would be especially cool if the "best" parts of the discussion and some kind of summary would be posted on 2+2 as well.

I am really excited for this to work out.

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1. i think we (ive obv. already chosen myself for the group [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) def. need a channel that everyone can talk on at once... is there a group chat feature on MSN? if so, that would probably work. I also believe it needs to be a selected private group of 10 or 12 people b.c. i feel like it will make a stronger bond and keep people showing up rather then just different random people showing up everyweek. I think we should meet twice a week, one should be a primary day that everyone can show up and the other an opition for everyone. That way we are all meeting up as a group at least once a week.

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I'm not a full time or mid-level player, but I would love to be part of this group if you guys would let me in. I play the 3.4, 6.5, and 11.7 (DS) for single tables, and 1.75, 3, and sometimes $5.5 for the 45 person sngs. Ive been looking to take it to the next level.

You mind if I hang around?

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A little OT if you don't mind.

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that play in the 12's,24's,and 36's

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Are those mid-stakes SnG?

I am not trying to be offensive, just asking out of curiousity, because if we would name stakes low/mid/high according to equivalent bankroll requirements with cash games, thank I think it would be like:

micro: <=$11 (NL50 and below)
small: $22-$54 (NL100-NL200)
mid: $108-$215 (NL400-NL1000)
high: >=$320 (above NL1000)

The NL numbers in brackets were taken from SSNL FAQ.

Re: Calling out all full-time mid-level players...study group
 

Heading off to bed soon. Going to bump this one last time. Everyone else expect a PM from me by tomorrow afternoon.

Re: Calling out all full-time mid-level players...study group
 

I'd like to be included as well! I am not quite full-time but am moving in that direction. I have been playing for over a year, but more seriously over the last 3 months.

1. When do you start your session?
Mid-mornings and evenings.

2. When is the best time for you to meet up? What hours would you prefer?
Evenings and weekends are better. As others have suggested, meeting once or twice a week max is good for me.

3. How long have you been playing? Your experience level?
A little over a year.

4. What stakes do you play?
$11 through $55 single-table SNG

5. What site do you play on?
Mostly Full-Tilt.

6. What qualities/skills do you think you can bring to this group?
Good at offering feedback, and constructive criticism. Not afraid to have my own play critiqued.

7. Where are you geographically located? What is your timezone?
Maryland

Re: Calling out all full-time mid-level players...study group
 

Im not sure if it is late to join , but I have to fire up

1. At noon (2pm EST)
2. At night on USA
3. 2 years , middle levels
4. 55 on Party. 6.5 , 16 on Stars ( a few months ago)
5. Mostly Party
6. Some steals strategies , some AceHud based moves and basic things
7. Argentina , -03 GMT ( 2 hours less than EST )

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I would also like to join.

1. 10am Pacific
2. Anytime
3. 2 months, 800 sngs
4. 11$
5. FTP
6. Just want to learn.
7. Washington State

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1. Around 4-5 EST
2. Live in Australia, so hoping that meeting time is in my daylight hours
3. Played limit for years, been playing sngs seriously for about 4 months
4. $24-$36(FTP) $22-$55(Party)
5. FTP, Party
6. ICM, hand reading. short handed play
7. Australia

I really like the sound of this group. Can OP please PM me, hopefully your meeting times will suit me. I feel I have plenty to learn, but also plenty to offer for those less experienced.

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What do you guys think of making a website where you can post hands to view for everyone

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If only something like this existed...

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where people could post HH's and talk about strategy and general poker banter? how innovative and new and fresh.

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Im fine with msn, but irc channels can have passwords(keys +i) too and i actually prefer irc in this kind of thing.

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i think this is the main reason the #stt channel on irc was created...

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everyone involved should have received a PM from me. If not please let me know.

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I might be up for this once a week or so. Id certainly be interested in seeing how it goes. Im not entirely sure what well be getting out of this that we cant get out of the forum here, but Ill give it a try.

1. Noon pacific? roughly?
2. Afternoon pacific time.
3. Ive been playing poker for 5 years, SNGs for a couple weeks. Ive put a good number of hours into every game currently offered on stars, I guess my experience level would be high at poker, low at SNGs.
4. Mostly $16s, some $27s
5. Stars
6. Not sure. I think Im good at HU play maybe? Ive been doing really well, but Im not sure what parts of my game are particularly strong compared to others.
7. Pacific time zone

Things Id like to see discussed.
1) Low blind play
2) Metagame + exploiting/ adapting to regulars
3) Software
4) Varying bet sizes
5) exploitive vs optimal play

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Just got the email guys. Sad to say, i won't be able to contribute regularly. I train MMA monday-friday at 5:30, but GL to all those who are undertaking this whole thing. I hopefully can drop in for the occassional session and provide/soak up the wisdom. Hope everything goes well.

Danny