Help settle a debate: this guy\'s bluff good or bad?
 

10/20 NL. I've been aggressive preflop but not out of line and haven't been caught doing crazy [censored] yet, but definitely reraising more than most.

Anyway, villain raises to 70 on the CO, I make it 250 w/xx from SB, he calls with TT.

Flop(510): 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I bet 300, he calls
Turn (1110): J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I check, he checks.
River (1110): 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I bet 760, he insta jams for 900 more. Anyone like this push by him?

Also, if you're in my shoes and there are no real reads either way what's your minimum hand to bet this river with?

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u mean 900 more right

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if you don't suck i don't like it

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u mean 900 more right

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yeah, edited. if it were 200 more i'd love it because if i ever bet/fold a good hand there it's the sickest move of all time. obviously i never bet/fold for 200 but it's worth the 900 bucks just to see if you can pull off the sickest play ever.

but it's 900 more, so does it suck or not?

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if you don't suck i don't like it

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what do you mean by this? are you saying if i don't suck i won't bet QQ here so he's either good and should call or i have a monster and he should fold?

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I think it sucks bigtime.

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I think it sucks bigtime.

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i bet you called and beat pocket 4s or something though.

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I think it sucks bigtime.

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i bet you called and beat pocket 4s or something though.

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How does FWF call the shove with XX and beat 44's....when the villain opened with TT?

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ecstasy is one hell of a drug.

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ecstasy is one hell of a drug.

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oh let me tell you a thing or two about ecstacy

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I think its a [censored] place for you to bluff or bet thin value.. so for him to jam seems pretty stupid..

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ok jcmoussa, spit me some truth about life and its relationship to sweet mdma homie!

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stupid bluff, he should be raising that flop with all his combo draws so much there since u have a big range, and if he decided to slowplay set hes bluffing turn

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ya his bluff here seems bad given he's probably shoving an OESD on the flop, and if he just called he'd probably fire the turn.

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**nevermind**

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ok jcmoussa, spit me some truth about life and its relationship to sweet mdma homie!

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remember that night last week where i said "i finally did it!" i have "pick me ups" to thank for that! think white and blue mixed together

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yeah, i won with 89. thanks for responses, made me some $$$ on a bet

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haha, more like white and blue and black.
ANARCHY RULESZK!L!!

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yeah, i won with 89. thanks for responses, made me some $$$ on a bet

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NH
I thought for sure,you were going to show 88

~stephen [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

and lol ..."ecstasy is one hell of a drug"

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Ya I made a donkey play here.

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10/20 NL. I've been aggressive preflop but not out of line and haven't been caught doing crazy [censored] yet, but definitely reraising more than most.

Anyway, villain raises to 70 on the CO, I make it 250 w/xx from SB, he calls with TT.

Flop(510): 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I bet 300, he calls
Turn (1110): J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I check, he checks.
River (1110): 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I bet 760, he insta jams for 900 more. Anyone like this push by him?

Also, if you're in my shoes and there are no real reads either way what's your minimum hand to bet this river with?

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i think the minimum hand i bet this river with is 6-7 or J-9, but i wouldnt check the turn with either hand. your hand looks a lot like a set or 8-8 to me, and i wouldnt expect you to fold any of those hand on the river getting slightly better than 3-1 to call, so meh, this is a [censored] spot to bluff. i dont think i'd like it even if he shoved for $1400 more given the action. your line looks too strong to bet the flop check the turn and then v-bet the river, but then again i have no idea how you play over pairs in this spot. just saying villains shove is probably into a strong part of your range here. D-.



-Tex

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i like the bluff a lot.

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man, i think this is terrible bluff by him

what the HELL Are you ever betting on the river that you check the turn with that does not start with st and end right raight?

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man, i think this is terrible bluff by him

what the HELL Are you ever betting on the river that you check the turn with that does not start with st and end right raight?

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Im a donkey!

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I think the important facotr is how he thinks you percieve him. If you percieve him as ok but standard crappy live player then his bluff is better because you could be vbing two pair and planning on folding to a shove since most live players cant turn made hands into bluffs. If he thinks yhou think hes good then it just sucks.

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haha, more like white and blue and black.
ANARCHY RULESZK!L!!

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LOL DONT FORGET THE RED STREAMS COMING FROM MY NOSE

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I think the important facotr is how he thinks you percieve him. If you percieve him as ok but standard crappy live player then his bluff is better because you could be vbing two pair and planning on folding to a shove since most live players cant turn made hands into bluffs. If he thinks yhou think hes good then it just sucks.

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this was online. sorry for the confusion

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fwf,

basically, to answer your question, if you don't suck then when you bet the river you either have

1. a monster that is hoping to be raised

or

2. a non-monster that knows this is a terrible board and is making a filthy bet-call.

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fwf,

basically, to answer your question, if you don't suck then when you bet the river you either have

1. a monster that is hoping to be raised

or

2. a non-monster that knows this is a terrible board and is making a filthy bet-call.

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this is wrong, srry

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i dunno if its +ev but it cant be that bad... i mean its kinda gangster because youre probably considering a bluff a very small percentage of his range and then if hes valueshoving you cant call with much other than a straight... i dunno enough about your game to know how much you have a straight here or how much youd bet call without one which is the crux of the problem, but i bet it works out so that this bluff is either mediocre to slightly -ev, or even slightly +ev...

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bad bluff.

I'm callin this with anything that beats TT for sure.

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fwf,

basically, to answer your question, if you don't suck then when you bet the river you either have

1. a monster that is hoping to be raised

or

2. a non-monster that knows this is a terrible board and is making a filthy bet-call.

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hrm..

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fwf,

basically, to answer your question, if you don't suck then when you bet the river you either have

1. a monster that is hoping to be raised

or

2. a non-monster that knows this is a terrible board and is making a filthy bet-call.

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this is wrong, srry

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you think i'm bet/folding QQ-AA here?

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i actually kinda like this, but you didn't tell us what his image is. assuming it's fine, i like it. you probably don't have a straight, and making this call is going to be throwing away money against a tight player without a straight.

calling totally depends on his image. basically, "is he capable of making a play here and what is my image" give you the answer of if you should call.

tc

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10/20 NL. I've been aggressive preflop but not out of line and haven't been caught doing crazy [censored] yet, but definitely reraising more than most.

Anyway, villain raises to 70 on the CO, I make it 250 w/xx from SB, he calls with TT.

Flop(510): 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
I bet 300, he calls
Turn (1110): J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I check, he checks.
River (1110): 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
I bet 760, he insta jams for 900 more. Anyone like this push by him?

Also, if you're in my shoes and there are no real reads either way what's your minimum hand to bet this river with?

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man, i think this is terrible bluff by him

what the HELL Are you ever betting on the river that you check the turn with that does not start with st and end right raight?

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y is this always a straight? just wondering

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I think its a [censored] place for you to bluff or bet thin value.. so for him to jam seems pretty stupid..

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doesnt this board make it a good place to value bet thin? cause hero's range seems to be polarized in between air and monsters.

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man, i think this is terrible bluff by him

what the HELL Are you ever betting on the river that you check the turn with that does not start with st and end right raight?

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y is this always a straight? just wondering

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it isn't

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man, i think this is terrible bluff by him

what the HELL Are you ever betting on the river that you check the turn with that does not start with st and end right raight?

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y is this always a straight? just wondering

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it isn't

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so u disagree with aejones also?

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bad bluff.

I'm callin this with anything that beats TT for sure.

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this is retarded and results oriented.