Standard bluff vs weird river donk?
 

Villain seemed like a bad LAG from the time i'd been at the table, no experience of him calling light though, just making some weird bluffs etc. The hand in question happened directly after this first hand below (not really looking for any input on first hand)

I think i made a mistake in the QJs hand in not raising the flop, that's way better than a float right? Thoughts on river?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($390)
BB ($639.31)
UTG ($96)
MP ($376.90)
CO ($347.94)
Button ($433.27)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($28) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: ($28) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: ($28) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $55</font>, Hero calls $35.

Final Pot: $138

Results below:
Hero has Qc Jh (flush, ace high).
BB has 3c 3s (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins $138.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($456)
SB ($570.31)
BB ($96)
UTG ($376.90)
MP ($347.94)
CO ($433.27)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, SB calls $10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($28) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $25</font>, Hero calls $25.

Turn: ($78) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $60</font>, SB calls $60.

River: ($198) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $276</font>

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Whats his name?

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Whats his name?

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D2007..i have him like 40/20/4 over 120 hands fwiw.

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Meh, I'd say he has 55 type [censored] a lot of the time. Will he fold it... I'm not sure.

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after his weak river bet, your big rr looks very fishy.
i doubt hes folding.

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after his weak river bet, your big rr looks very fishy.
i doubt hes folding.

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not sure if he knows this (so may be irrelevant) but i'm raising any decent 9-x for value on river.

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after his weak river bet, your big rr looks very fishy.
i doubt hes folding.

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not sure if he knows this (so may be irrelevant) but i'm raising any decent 9-x for value on river.

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As opposed to a not-decent 9x?

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after his weak river bet, your big rr looks very fishy.
i doubt hes folding.

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not sure if he knows this (so may be irrelevant) but i'm raising any decent 9-x for value on river.

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As opposed to a not-decent 9x?

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correct

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what i meant was...i'd def value bet J9+ but i'm not sure about smaller 9's cos i'm abit hesitant to value town myself...not sure where the cut-off point for value-raising should be, any ideas?

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Are you leveling? A9 = 92

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Are you leveling? A9 = 92

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nope not levelling, 9x is def in his range (although i agree there isn't a huge difference), i guess i should just value raise any 9-x, but i will value town myself sometimes when i raise 98o for sure, but with A9 i am beat never.

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You do realize they are both the same hand? They are both the same boat...

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Are you leveling? A9 = 92

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nope not levelling, 9x is def in his range (although i agree there isn't a huge difference), i guess i should just value raise any 9-x, but i will value town myself sometimes when i raise 98o for sure, but with A9 i am beat never.

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You do realize they are both the same hand? They are both the same boat...

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wow i am a TOTAL retard LOL how the fk did i miss that?

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So yeh obv i raise 9x and better on river. As played with QJs, what do y'all think?

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So yeh obv i raise 9x and better on river. As played with QJs, what do y'all think?

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Hahahaha! I don't like it too much because people NEVER fold boats...

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So yeh obv i raise 9x and better on river. As played with QJs, what do y'all think?

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Hahahaha! I don't like it too much because people NEVER fold boats...

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Or ace high, apparently...

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lol

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Zeebo Theorem...

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far from standard imo. fold the flop, and don't bluffraise the river when he blocks it - a bad lag is usually doing this with the intention of snapcalling whatever he donked with.

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QJ = A9? im so confused.

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fold the flop

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folding this flop vs this player is pretty bad i think, although i think i should have raised.

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fold the flop

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folding this flop vs this player is pretty bad i think, although i think i should have raised.

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ok maybe I'm learning something new. Why is it "pretty bad" to just fold? In my experience, these guys aren't folding much that they lead for pot on this board.

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fold the flop

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folding this flop vs this player is pretty bad i think, although i think i should have raised.

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ok maybe I'm learning something new. Why is it "pretty bad" to just fold? In my experience, these guys aren't folding much that they lead for pot on this board.

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He 3bets any decent pair pf so is leading with total air or a small pair usually, which our hand has decent equity against. Even if he calls flop raise, we have position so can put pressure on him on turn and his hand range can't stand much heat at all.

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If you wanna rep a big pair raise flop. Will he believe you? Dunno, depends.

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i don't like this. I would raise or fold flop.

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Seems like too many bad players like this guy will go to the grave on the river because they HAVE A FULL HOUSE BABYYYYYYYYY!!!!! Seriously, you probably get called too often for this to be good, even though most of his calls will be bad ones (WE know that you are V-betting 9x+ here often, but he doesn't).

Raising the flop to me is better then calling.