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poker1O1 06-22-2007 06:11 AM

never have I ever...
 
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $5/$10 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $2,066.75
Hero (BB): $2,918.75
UTG: $385.00
UTG+1: $1,273.00
MP1: $360.95
MP2: $1,063.75
CO: $1,000.00 (unknown)
BTN: $2,156.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8 Players)
4 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $32.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $22.00

Flop: ($69) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $55.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $110.00</font>, CO calls $55.00

Turn: ($289) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $149.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $736.00</font>

CityFan 06-22-2007 06:23 AM

Re: never have I ever...
 
Fold PF?
Fold flop?

I put him on an ace or two clubs here. I don't hate the turn raise.

Larude 06-22-2007 08:38 AM

Re: never have I ever...
 
Just want to say something, don't listen to it by the way.
I think he has to give you credit for a set here or AQ seeing you being an unknown. Only hand he won't lay down are pocket aces and pocket queens, and a percentage of the time AQ, I guess he has to lay down everything else + you have outs. I love it.

machine 06-22-2007 09:17 AM

Re: never have I ever...
 
if villan is a good player(which is unknown but at this limit is quite possible) i like this play, it looks like he has AK and if i was villan with no reads id find this really hard to call with only 1 pair. Also you have outs as mentioned above and this has to do wonders to your table image for future hands if you do get caught.

Specialwon 06-22-2007 09:30 AM

Re: never have I ever...
 
As played it seems be working nice, he certainly looks rattled on the turn and I can't see you did anything to give yourself away.

Still, I wouldn't do this without data because plenty of chumps with TPTK call you down here (though probably not this chump).

CazicT 06-22-2007 10:01 AM

Re: never have I ever...
 
Turn I think is a nice play, ballsy of course, but probably +EV. You have a good amount of outs vs. AK/AQ and there is a decent chance he would fold AK and will certainly fold anything less.

I'm a bit curious as to why you decided to min check raise on the flop with middle pair though.

subzero 06-22-2007 10:41 AM

Re: never have I ever...
 
I'm not crazy about the minraise on the flop (but I don't play at this level). I love the turn push. You have a bunch of outs and maybe some fold equity. Also, CO could have crap (stealing blinds). Seems +EV to me. nh.

effang 06-22-2007 10:54 AM

Re: never have I ever...
 
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I'm not crazy about the minraise on the flop (but I don't play at this level). I love the turn push. You have a bunch of outs and maybe some fold equity. Also, CO could have crap (stealing blinds). Seems +EV to me. nh.

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come on. a 5/10 guy graces our presence, and you fail to even read the hand.

i don't like it.

c/r flop c/r turn is always such a confusing line. i never know what to make of it, so it is 33/33/33 whether i call/shove/fold.

as is, at least you picked up some good outs are are only in bad shape to 2p and sets.

why the min flop raise though? were you going to rep a set and then decided you really liked the turn card?

CazicT 06-22-2007 11:05 AM

Re: never have I ever...
 
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I'm not crazy about the minraise on the flop (but I don't play at this level). I love the turn push. You have a bunch of outs and maybe some fold equity. Also, CO could have crap (stealing blinds). Seems +EV to me. nh.

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come on. a 5/10 guy graces our presence, and you fail to even read the hand.

i don't like it.

c/r flop c/r turn is always such a confusing line. i never know what to make of it, so it is 33/33/33 whether i call/shove/fold.

as is, at least you picked up some good outs are are only in bad shape to 2p and sets.

why the min flop raise though? were you going to rep a set and then decided you really liked the turn card?

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I thought some more about why the min raise and it seems clearer now. The preflop raise was from the CO so the Hero check raised figuring the CO could easily have missed the flop and be CBetting with air. Hero is repping an ace here I guess.

KurtSF 06-22-2007 12:16 PM

Re: never have I ever...
 
*grunch*

Hmmm, I don't like doing this without a read.

If villain is known and is weak or has a high AF I like this play. You're pretty solidly representing AQ. Even if called you have probably 9-12 outs. Looks good.

But unknowns I tend to assume are fishy and I play ABC until I can find some holes.

poker1O1 06-22-2007 07:40 PM

Re: never have I ever...
 
I got some mixed results on this. I'm not in love with this play, but I dont hate it either. The reason I checked the turn is because I think he gives a free card here a decent amount of time. After he bets it, I think pushing is clearly the best option. Overall, just a goofy hand. Villian calls and shows A5, and I flushed him down the drain.

CalledDownLight 06-23-2007 11:17 PM

Re: never have I ever...
 
Raising to $450 looks a whole lot better to me on the turn. I think it might actually increase your FE and also allow you to bluff shove the river (especially if its a club) and get a fold some of the time. Also if you hit 2pair or better then he might put you on missed clubs and call lightly.

junkmail3 06-24-2007 01:55 AM

Re: never have I ever...
 
*GRUNCH*

Bleh,

reraise preflop or fold ... it's not worth playing this OOP. You must have had some read to play it like this, so that read probably = that villian is LAG - so fold or reraise, rarely call.

Flop is fine, and I like the turn, but really ... stats and past play would make this analysis so much easier.


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