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kerowo 07-31-2006 08:36 AM

Now what? (LC)
 
Through I'm sure what can only be called stellar play and being variances beotch this month I've managed to turn my 330BB for .5/1 on party into a 30/BB bank roll. 11k hands at -2.7BB/100 sucks.

Anyway, I think 30 bucks is the min withdraw from Party and I'm not sure what to do next. I don't have any spare cash to re-deposit and Party doesn't have micros. I have the remenants of a deposit I made on Stars for a KOTKP tourney a while back and could move it over there and start over at the lower limits that I'm rolled for and see if I can stand grinding out for nickles and dimes (no offense if that is where you are playing). Or I could single table and try and get it back on Party. Either way I'm taking a while off to read some more and get over this craptacular month.

Any suggestions?

Wook, if this is too low content shut er down.

OziBattler 07-31-2006 08:51 AM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
kerowo, that sucks. Sounds like you need to drop down and rebuild.

if you wanted to grind back up you could try UB 5c/10c tables. I know Ive been seen spruking UB 5c/10c tables before but when I played there the 5c/10c tables would clear UB bonuses at 7-8BB/100 so really you cant lose. Those tables are how I built a $70 BR into a 25c/50c BR

Buzz-cp 07-31-2006 01:01 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
If $300 isn't much to you, then redeposit & play. If you are truly grinding, then drop down and tough it out.

Good luck.
Buzz

bozlax 07-31-2006 01:19 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
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Any suggestions?

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Uh, find the brakes sooner next time?

So, I just double-checked myself, because I've had so much trouble with being wrong this past week, but I was right. Yer effed. Min withdrawl for any forms of transfer from Party is $50, a couple are higher than that. That means your options are 1) leave the money sitting there until you can put some more on top of it to get back up to 300BB; b) find $20 somewhere, deposit that somehow, and then withdraw the whole thing and move to 'Stars; or, iii) find some way to grind that money into a big enough pile to withdraw and move to 'Stars.

Options 1 is pretty self-explanatory.

Option b, it should be noted, will require you to play some hands (Party gets pissy if they look and see that you've deposited and are trying to withdraw without playing). I've found that 100 hands does the trick, usually, but that means it's going to cost you, minimum, 10 orbits worth of blinds to get the money back out; adjust your deposit accordingly.

If you go with Option iii), might I suggest $5 + $1 NL SNGs? Good ROI, and your normal FR TAG game is very effective in the early rounds. You'll need to let it out a bit once the table gets down to 5 seats or so, but by then you should have figured out who you can pick on. If you don't like NL or SNGs, then I have two words for you: 15BB Challenge.

Buzz-cp 07-31-2006 01:21 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
oooh maybe another option.

can you do player transfers on party?
You could xfer to someone on party & have them xfer to you on Stars.

But I don't think you can do player xfers.

bozlax 07-31-2006 01:22 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
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oooh maybe another option.

can you do player transfers on party?
You could xfer to someone on party & have them xfer to you on Stars.

But I don't think you can do player xfers.

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That's a good idea, and in fact you can on both sites. I did it for a fella from another forum about a month back.

milesdyson 07-31-2006 01:43 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
the obvious answer is, $30, one hand, party BJ.

if you win, cashout and play a paradise 10/20 cent.

Buzz-cp 07-31-2006 01:53 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
yah I thought of that too. Surprised the answer came so late.

bravos1 07-31-2006 01:54 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
I think the $5+$1 SnGs are a great possibility, but you could also nut peddle the NL25 game for a bit. It is usually pretty nice.

Of course, Miles always has the best answer!

kerowo 07-31-2006 01:54 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
I think stars and grinding is going to be the best option. Yea, breaks would be good. I kept thinking I wanted guys drawing to 5 outs or so and I could get them next time... There has to be a stop loss amount between 12 and 40 bb that isn't weak, I just haven't found it this month.

kerowo 07-31-2006 02:16 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
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the obvious answer is, $30, one hand, party BJ.

if you win, cashout and play a paradise 10/20 cent.

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The reason I play poker is because counting above 3 is hard, no way could I play black jack.

gezuz 07-31-2006 02:17 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
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the obvious answer is, $30, one hand, party BJ.

if you win, cashout and play at party 20/40 .

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oops miles, you must have made a typo.

Ignignokt 07-31-2006 04:37 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
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I've managed to turn my 330BB for .5/1 on party into a 30/BB bank roll.

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I did exactly this in my first month of donkey poker (i.e., before I decided to maybe read a book or something).

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I have the remenants of a deposit I made on Stars for a KOTKP tourney a while back and could move it over there and start over at the lower limits that I'm rolled for and see if I can stand grinding out for nickles and dimes (no offense if that is where you are playing).

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This is exactly what I did to remedy the above situation. With the help of bonuses, grew that $29 to my current mid-four-figure roll.

There's no dishonor in playing .05/.10 -- I still maintain a tiny balance at UB (where I still have large amounts of never-expiring bonus) that I tend like a garden when 3/6 or 4/8 gets me down. There's surprisingly good poker at that level (I'd argue that $3/6 is more of a donkfest than .05/.10) so you can work on your ABCs.

Xhad 07-31-2006 05:13 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
Some time ago I ran something like 2.70 into my KOTKP entries using the following method:

-Play NL cash
-Never have more than 1/10th of my BR on the table at once
-Play a limit such that I can buy in for double the minimum without violating the above rule
-If that's not possible, buy in for the minimum at the lowest limit possible

The play is so bad that this is what I would do if I ever had to cash out my entire BR for some reason.

BobbyShaftoe 07-31-2006 06:12 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
Party Blackjack.

One hand.

Post it.

No tears.

dchz 07-31-2006 06:35 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
hmmm i have a brilliant idea.. i dont' know how well you are good at NL, (that setence isn't grammatically sound.. screw it, you get the point, i just got back from the gym no typing in correct english for a while)

anyways NL short stack, play your Normal limit grind game except the raise pre-flop is 4x BB + 1 for each limper, push(meaning all in or strong bets) strong hands HU, and they will pay you off, I am letting you on a big secret to easy money so you better listen up, buy in for 20x BB and leave the table at 30x BB

rinse and repeat,

i've been 8 talbign this the last 2 days ath party .25/.50 and i'm up 12ptBB/100 hands or 170 in less than 3 hrs, money easy as they come, i'd go in to the theory behind this, but that'd be seeling out the new 2p2 book,

gl hf hope it goes well,

or if you wanna practice i'll play you low stakes HU limiti for the tournye if you want(i hsould be easy money)

dchz 07-31-2006 06:35 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
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Party Blackjack.

One hand.

Post it.

No tears.

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you don't happen to hav ea crypto account named mandrake do you?

BobbyShaftoe 07-31-2006 08:02 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
Naw, I'm not on the crypto network at all, but I'm looking for my next bonus to whore up. Hmmmmm...


Also, that NL strategy sounds a lot like the Shadow Method of microNL cash games:

open raise 4x or 5x BB
against limpers, raise 7x to 10x BB (psb or bigger)

UTG, UTG+1, UTG+2 -- AA--TT;AK
MP- AA-99 AK, AQ
CO,BTN - AA-77 AK-AT, KQ

against a raise- push AA--TT;AK
against a raise, re-raise- push AA-KK

ratio money left to orignal bet:

2:1 -- push
3:1 -- push AA-99, AK and AQ
4:1-- push AA-JJ, AK
5:1-- push AA-QQ, AK

FLOP
checked to you, move in
any time your stack is less than size of pot, move in


I did it for about 1k hands. Oh, god it was boring. I could do it again, but I'll need to upgrade one of my monitors to 10-table it.

onthebutton 07-31-2006 08:33 PM

Re: Now what? (LC)
 
BobbyShaftoe and Shadow,

Is there a link to a more extensive discussion of this NL strategy?


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