Can Avatars violate the 2+2 T&C\'s ?
 

With such a strong stance taken against links to sites that allow downloads and a ban on discussions about software that may be used to assist in sharing things - why are avatars that contain copyrighted material allowed? Why are avatars that are clearly derived from someone elses art allowed. For example, avatars that contain clips from movies.

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i'm no copyright lawyer, but i think most avatars would be ok under fair use laws.

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Fair use for anyone who wants to use them?

Is this a liberal interpretation or is it just the way it is in your country?

Should you own some rights to the material that you use - or can you just take it and use it?

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Generally, short clips of copyrighted material can be used by anyone. For instance, you are allowed to copy/paste one paragraph of an article without running afoul of copyright. The same thing goes for movies: movie critics are not violating copyright by showing parts of a movie.

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But if you took a one frame still and used it in an advertisement you would not get away with it - so this issue cannot be as simple as you make it out to be.

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But if you took a one frame still and used it in an advertisement you would not get away with it - so this issue cannot be as simple as you make it out to be.

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Are you being an interminable nit for some specific reason or did your mom huff carpet cleaner during your gestation?

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They're not my T&C's

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They will never take me alive!

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But if you took a one frame still and used it in an advertisement you would not get away with it - so this issue cannot be as simple as you make it out to be.

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Yeah, that's totally different.

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They will never take me alive!

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Keep on keeping on stu man!

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They will never take me alive!

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But if you took a one frame still and used it in an advertisement you would not get away with it - so this issue cannot be as simple as you make it out to be.

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I *am* a lawyer with a lot of knowledge of this topic, and let me tell you that if don't understand the difference between an advertisement and a forum avatar then you are never going to be able to understand the concept of fair use.

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Is this a liberal interpretation or is it just the way it is in your country?

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Unless you live in a third world country, this is probably the way it is in your country too. Due to all the treaties surrounding intellectual property, certain rules, such as fair use, are relatively standard across the board.

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They will never take me alive!

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You have nothing to fear my friend....

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I *am* a lawyer with a lot of knowledge of this topic, and let me tell you that if don't understand the difference between an advertisement and a forum avatar then you are never going to be able to understand the concept of fair use.

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Jumping to conclusions and thinly veiled insults are not useful.

What would be helpful is answering the fairly straightforward question :

Should you own some rights to the material that you use - or can you just take it and use it?

iron81 provided some insight - I am just wondering if that interpretation is too broad.

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Dude you already have an answer what else do you want?

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I *am* a lawyer with a lot of knowledge of this topic, and let me tell you that if don't understand the difference between an advertisement and a forum avatar then you are never going to be able to understand the concept of fair use.

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Jumping to conclusions and thinly veiled insults are not useful.

What would be helpful is answering the fairly straightforward question :

Should you own some rights to the material that you use - or can you just take it and use it?

iron81 provided some insight - I am just wondering if that interpretation is too broad.

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If you are going to complain about something... you should at least do your homework and read up on the actual law and acceptable use.

If it makes you feel better... consider all avatars as falling under the category of Parody!

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It's not really a complaint.

They are not parody - they use the actual material.

I don't know the answer and it seems that noone else does either.

This arose when a mod posted a reminder that users cannot link to sites deemed inappropriate because of IP concerns. That mod has an avatar that has a short movie clip in it.

I am not asking about the law, but about the 2+2 T&C's.

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Yes, it is.

Ok, they aren't.

Yes, we do.

So?

It is clear to everyone but you, now go away.

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Lee,

This whole avatar issue isn't something getting you laid couldn't fix.

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Simple question. Seems to have stirred a few emotions.

And no, you don't seem to know the answer. You just have an idea of how you would like it to be.

Just seems a bit hypocritical. If that's the way it is then it's no big deal anyway.

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Simple question. Seems to have stirred a few emotions.

And no, you don't seem to know the answer. You just have an idea of how you would like it to be.

Just seems a bit hypocritical. If that's the way it is then it's no big deal anyway.

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Stagger,

I'm a lawyer as well. You now have two lawyers in this thread telling you it falls under fair use.

Regards,
--jman220

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OK - and I don't have to own the movie to use the clip as an avatar on the internet - it's fair just to take it and use it?

That's a pretty good deal. I thought fair use only extended to backup copies, watching with friends and family etc. If I can rip segments to mpg/avi and upload legally that is amazing - to say the very least. If I can use segments that others have converted and uploaded better still.

Solid clear advice. Thank you.

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OK - and I don't have to own the movie to use the clip as an avatar on the internet - it's fair just to take it and use it?

That's a pretty good deal. I thought fair use only extended to backup copies, watching with friends and family etc. If I can rip segments to mpg/avi and upload legally that is amazing - to say the very least. If I can use segments that others have converted and uploaded better still.

Solid clear advice. Thank you.

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Are you always this dense? How do you equivocate taking a 5 second clip from a two hour movie, without sound, in a 1 inch by 1 inch square, to be the equivalent ripping and uploading entire movies? You're an idiot. Fair use requires analyzing several factors one of which is how much of the material you are using.

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Nothing to do with entire movies - that was your mistake, not mine. I am clearly talking about using a clip as an avatar and about 'segments' - not entire movies.

Same question - under your fair use scenario do I have to own the material myself? For example, if I want a Finding Nemo avatar can I just take one or should I own the movie?

More to the point - the DMCA would be more applicable. Yeah it's OK to use your purchased material in accordance with 'fair use' - but does this extend to converting the information to another format?

No need for insults - it isn't an emotional issue.

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I don't know the answer and it seems that noone else does either.

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Hey, one out of two ain't bad!

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I am not asking about the law, but about the 2+2 T&C's.

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The answer to your question is... Yes, it is possible for an Avatar to violate the 2+2 T&C... and Yes, there have been people asked to change their avatar.

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ughh i wish i hadn't moved this earlier on so i could ban this guy for being a retarded troll now... mike move back to OOT plz k thx