Fun Tiger hypothetical
 

Assume you are playing Tiger on your normal course and he is hitting into a normal cup at typical pin positions. You are playing the same holes, but when you hit a different (larger) cup magically appears on the green as your goal.

How large in diameter would your cup have to be until you are an even money bet with Tiger?

Assume that you get no weird bounce outs because of the larger cup, and that the green becomes pristene when Tiger has to play. Please state your handicap or typical score with your answer.

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I'll say the cup needs to be the size of Cleveland.

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4 1/4 inches

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I dunno, given a cup 18 inches in diameter someone like my dad who is around a 7 (with not much length but a lot of short game) could probably hole 50% of the shots he hits within 20 yards of the green.

Someone like me, it probably wouldn't matter as I frequently am still trying to get off the tee in bounds at a number of strokes that would put Tiger in the hole.

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Cup could be half the size of a normal cup but it would have to be located in a water hazard. I would totally own Tiger given these circumstances.

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I'll say the cup needs to be the size of Cleveland.

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Are you including the suburbs?

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I'm a 30+ handicap and I'm guessing about 20ft across. I'd birdie a chunk of the par 3's and 5's, but I'd still bogey (or worse) quite a few par 4's.

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I think if anything on the green counted as in the cup I think I could beat him as long as the course wasn't too long.

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2-3 feet? I dunno, I'm assuming if I get on in one more than regulation no less than 16-17 holes, I can easily put it in a 3 foot hole from near anywhere.

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15 foot

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i honestly think i could beat tiger if the cup were only twice the regulation diameter.

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I don't know if you guys know about this. But a larger cup was introduced to the PGA tour back in the day. The man behind the plan was the late Paul Runyan, a famour player and teaching professional known for his legendary short game and lack of distance off the tee. Well, when this was implemented for a short period of time he dominated. Next time you play, watched your putts go past the hole, think if that hole was twice the size would it have gone in. You'll see that you could make a ton of putts from every distance.

Also, distance control is much less of a factor.

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Hogan was pretty much convinced that putting had no proper place in a game of golf and, late career, Snead tended to agree.

I was a 7 at my best (with a first-time 78 at Old Head and an opening 82 at Baltusrol) and can guarantee you that on a major tournament course, with a tournament set-up, neither me nor any other 7 would break a buck. With a medal stroke differential of no fewer than 35 strokes, the size of the hole is irrelevant.

On a familiar course that doesn't stretch too far, I still need 20 pops, without factoring in the pressure, so to be sure to get in the money, I want the green to represent the hole and leave the putter at home. If it's match play, half the green would do...

I recall Trevino advising that if you couldn't break par, first time out on an unfamiliar course, for money, not to bother turning pro. And Tiger is hardly a journeyman... The least gifted of these touring professionals are not even slightly like us, even at our best (it just looks that way). And Tiger is like nobody, maybe ever...

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Hogan was pretty much convinced that putting had no proper place in a game of golf and, late career, Snead tended to agree.

I was a 7 at my best (with a first-time 78 at Old Head and an opening 82 at Baltusrol) and can guarantee you that on a major tournament course, with a tournament set-up, neither me nor any other 7 would break a buck. With a medal stroke differential of no fewer than 35 strokes, the size of the hole is irrelevant.

On a familiar course that doesn't stretch too far, I still need 20 pops, without factoring in the pressure, so to be sure to get in the money, I want the green to represent the hole and leave the putter at home. If it's match play, half the green would do...

I recall Trevino advising that if you couldn't break par, first time out on an unfamiliar course, for money, not to bother turning pro. And Tiger is hardly a journeyman... The least gifted of these touring professionals are not even slightly like us, even at our best (it just looks that way). And Tiger is like nobody, maybe ever...

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winner...

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Fun question!
My current handicap is +3.
I think I'd need at least 5 shots a round to be competitive with Tiger.
My guess is that I'd improve 5 shots a round if the hole were 50% bigger.
But if this is a one-time match, and figuring in the "choke" factor,
I'd want the hole to be twice as big as normal.
Yeah, if the hole were twice as big for me, I could take him! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Fun question!
My current handicap is +3.
I think I'd need at least 5 shots a round to be competitive with Tiger.
My guess is that I'd improve 5 shots a round if the hole were 50% bigger.
But if this is a one-time match, and figuring in the "choke" factor,
I'd want the hole to be twice as big as normal.
Yeah, if the hole were twice as big for me, I could take him! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
<font color="white"> maybe </font>

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LOL.

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Tiger is estimated to be a +9, so 5 shots isn't to far off.

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Fun question!
My current handicap is +3.
I think I'd need at least 5 shots a round to be competitive with Tiger.
My guess is that I'd improve 5 shots a round if the hole were 50% bigger.
But if this is a one-time match, and figuring in the "choke" factor,
I'd want the hole to be twice as big as normal.
Yeah, if the hole were twice as big for me, I could take him! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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LOL.

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So you don't think I need at least 5 shots?
You give me way too much credit! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Most ppl dont realize that a +handicap means underpar scores.

I love telling ppl Im a +2 and hear them say "so you average 74?" No douchebag, I average 72 and shoot 70 when Im playing well.

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Most ppl dont realize that a +handicap means underpar scores.

I love telling ppl Im a +2 and hear them say "so you average 74?" No douchebag, I average 72 and shoot 70 when Im playing well.

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Most people also don't realize handicap and average are entirely different. My last four rounds I shot 85, 73, 87, 75. If I keep this up (for 16 more rounds) I will be averaging 80 and be a 2 or 3 handicap (course rating changes depending on tees).

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I'd say 6"

Currently I'm probably a 6 handicap, was near scratch late high school and thru college, and could be again w/ a couple weeks of intense short game work.

Another thing to mention is that I've been a member at the course for 12 years and used to play easily 500, 18 hole rounds per year growing up. So his edge against me on that course is much less than a random course.

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I'd have a chance if the cups were the size of the greens.

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Fun question!
My current handicap is +3.
I think I'd need at least 5 shots a round to be competitive with Tiger.
My guess is that I'd improve 5 shots a round if the hole were 50% bigger.
But if this is a one-time match, and figuring in the "choke" factor,
I'd want the hole to be twice as big as normal.
Yeah, if the hole were twice as big for me, I could take him! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
<font color="white"> maybe </font>

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LOL.

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With a 5 inch hole I'd be looking at 6 birdies on avg and would make very few bogeys barring penalty shots. I'd happily take tiger on with a hole that big, would be a coin flip. If it were a 6 inch hole Tiger would be a big Dog. With a 4 and 3/4 inch hole I'd be the Dog but would still back myself. Same size hole everyones a Dog to Tiger.

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Someone like me, it probably wouldn't matter as I frequently am still trying to get off the tee in bounds at a number of strokes that would put Tiger in the hole.

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so sadly true...

Benny, skip out of work early and hit Lyman, 2:27 tee time today. I need to know by noon...

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With a 5 inch hole I'd be looking at 6 birdies on avg and would make very few bogeys barring penalty shots. I'd happily take tiger on with a hole that big, would be a coin flip. If it were a 6 inch hole Tiger would be a big Dog. With a 4 and 3/4 inch hole I'd be the Dog but would still back myself. Same size hole everyones a Dog to Tiger.

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at least half the tour pros would be a dog to tiger with a 5 inch hole.

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I think if anything on the green counted as in the cup I think I could beat him as long as the course wasn't too long.

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Edtost told me about this thread when we were at the range today. I thought about it for maybe 15 seconds and this was pretty much my answer. I still think its right.

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My index is a 5.3 (up a bunch this year). They can't calculate Tiger's index, as the highest available is +8 (I don't take into consideration, just worth noting).

If we're playing match play, I figure I would need a barrage of birdies at any typical public/muni type course, 8-10 birdies at a moderately challenging course and 6-8 on most tour level courses to keep up.

That being said (iyagonewitmyinstincts), I make 2-3 birdies around hit 10-12 GIR. I'm a decent scrambler.

I think I'd need a hole that's two and a half to three feet wide to allow me to dunk an occasional wedge, virtually assure every GIR a birdie and chip in more than 25% of the time.

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i honestly think i could beat tiger if the cup were only twice the regulation diameter.

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Delusional are we?

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Fun question!
My current handicap is +3.
I think I'd need at least 5 shots a round to be competitive with Tiger.
My guess is that I'd improve 5 shots a round if the hole were 50% bigger.
But if this is a one-time match, and figuring in the "choke" factor,
I'd want the hole to be twice as big as normal.
Yeah, if the hole were twice as big for me, I could take him! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
<font color="white"> maybe </font>

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LOL.

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With a 5 inch hole I'd be looking at 6 birdies on avg and would make very few bogeys barring penalty shots. I'd happily take tiger on with a hole that big, would be a coin flip. If it were a 6 inch hole Tiger would be a big Dog. With a 4 and 3/4 inch hole I'd be the Dog but would still back myself. Same size hole everyones a Dog to Tiger.

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at least half the tour pros would be a dog to tiger with a 5 inch hole.

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No way. That extra 3/4 of an inch would be worth minimum 2-3 shots a round.

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Fun question!
My current handicap is +3.
I think I'd need at least 5 shots a round to be competitive with Tiger.
My guess is that I'd improve 5 shots a round if the hole were 50% bigger.
But if this is a one-time match, and figuring in the "choke" factor,
I'd want the hole to be twice as big as normal.
Yeah, if the hole were twice as big for me, I could take him! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
<font color="white"> maybe </font>

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LOL.

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at least,
a. at the lowest estimate or figure: The repairs will cost at least $100.
b. at any rate; in any case: You didn't get a good grade, but at least you passed the course.

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With a 5 inch hole I'd be looking at 6 birdies on avg and would make very few bogeys barring penalty shots. I'd happily take tiger on with a hole that big, would be a coin flip. If it were a 6 inch hole Tiger would be a big Dog. With a 4 and 3/4 inch hole I'd be the Dog but would still back myself. Same size hole everyones a Dog to Tiger.

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at least half the tour pros would be a dog to tiger with a 5 inch hole.

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No way. That extra 3/4 of an inch would be worth minimum 2-3 shots a round.

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tiger's a 2-3 shot favourite over half the tour pros.

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if the hole were 8-10 inches wide, think how hard you could hit your putt and still be okay. You would almost never have to worry about break.

I average low 90s on relatively easy courses.

I think I would need a 3 foot hole to be even money.