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chris216 10-23-2007 03:24 PM

NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
Villain was unknown at the time. Do you 3bet? If yes, then how much? I wasn't quite sure what to do, since his raise is not small enough to make this in automatic 3-bet and it is not big enough to cold-call and get it in on the turn.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($82.10)
UTG ($95)
MP ($174.55)
Hero ($102.50)
Button ($74.25)
SB ($111.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($9) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $16</font>, Hero ???

rakes.a.beach 10-23-2007 04:22 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
50

manupod 10-23-2007 04:37 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
just reraise

thac 10-23-2007 04:38 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
26 imo

hotbacon 10-23-2007 04:39 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
46

traz 10-23-2007 04:40 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
40

what do I win?

VPIP100 10-23-2007 04:40 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
39 looks weaker

hotbacon 10-23-2007 04:41 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
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38.95 looks weaker

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Suigin406 10-23-2007 04:42 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
40ish

orange 10-23-2007 04:52 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
I usually just call.

SnglMaltScotch 10-23-2007 04:55 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
Argh Orange. Sooo many bad cards come on the turn to just call. He really isn't folding an A on the flop so 3-bet now. Any club/9/3/k/q is going to scare a Ax hand. I think this is a must raise.

Thoughts.

SMS

agnoke10 10-23-2007 05:10 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
yea, i like a 40ish bet a lot

xeanatic 10-23-2007 05:15 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
just re raise to about 40 ish

squashington 10-23-2007 05:26 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
What's wrong with just calling here? IMO 3betting is the same as a shove, meaning your raise is asking him, "Are you ready to play for stacks?"

We're about 80% sure our hand will still be best after turn. There would be ~40 in the pot so if villain leads turn 1/2 his stack will be in. Now he's committed and may not realize it.

I suck fwiw. Someone set me straight on why this is bad.

stakman1011 10-23-2007 06:02 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
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What's wrong with just calling here? IMO 3betting is the same as a shove, meaning your raise is asking him, "Are you ready to play for stacks?"

We're about 80% sure our hand will still be best after turn. There would be ~40 in the pot so if villain leads turn 1/2 his stack will be in. Now he's committed and may not realize it.

I suck fwiw. Someone set me straight on why this is bad.

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I don't think we're 3betting because we're worried about villain sucking out on us.

It's more a matter of a card coming off that kills our action. If opponent has AK here, for example, let's just get it in now when he's drawing almost dead.

If we call on the flop and a club rolls off, maybe he'll get cold feet and then we've let him off the hook.

Up-grey-de 10-23-2007 06:30 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
He seems to be the kind who does bet pretty small, so if we just call and a non clubs comes, are we sure he will bet enough that we can pot-commit him with a raise?

shpanko 10-23-2007 06:31 PM

Re: NL100 extracting with set on A high flop
 
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I usually just call.

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ditto


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