Two Plus Two Newer Archives

Two Plus Two Newer Archives (http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/index.php)

- Small Stakes (http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/forumdisplay.php?f=41)

- - QQ v delta_k (http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=545539)

villan is delta_k. for those of you noobs who don't know who he is, he was a long time strat poster and had controversy follow him everywhere (much like a mini FGators if you will).

He and i have a decent amount of history. I've outdrawn him in close situations (near coinflips) in the past for stacks.

like this- I open KQ[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] otb, he rr-es with AK. flop K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] he bets i shove he calls and i win.

we also got it in on a 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] board and my Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] held up against his A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] for stacks.

he stacked me the same day with QQ vs. my 99 on 322 board (given my image, I think it was okay at the time).

He generally plays fairly straightfoward. There was a pot the other day where i folded in a rr-ed pot to him. he opened otb, I rr with TT in sb, he calls. flop K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] i bet he calls. turn 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] we both check. river 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] i check and fold to his psb (we are both semi deep) and he showed 78[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

so, that is most of the history. i think he plays a looser tag game like 22/16 or something along those lines. he knows who i am and probably views me as aggressive.

a point- the other day, he opened pf utg, i called with pp, flop came 583r he bet and i bluff raised. he smallish 3-bet and i folded pretty quick. i think that he knows i'm capable of bluff raising flops.

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $243.20
UTG+1: $403.50
CO: $161.20
orange: $483.70
SB: $394
BB: $22.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) orange is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $8, 2 folds, orange calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($19, 2 players)
UTG bets $12, orange raises to $44, UTG raises to $102, orange raises all-in $475.7

right? this is sortve a dumb post but delta disagreed with me so whatever.

Re: QQ v delta_k

Can you post the full HH for the 99 vs QQ hand from earlier? That's easily the most important piece of history between you two pertaining to this hand.

Re: QQ v delta_k

i think getting it in here in pretty standard.

Re: QQ v delta_k

if you are going to play it like you did preflop then raising this flop isn't good.

I still 3bet pf though.

Re: QQ v delta_k

Given that he's pretty straight forward, it makes this tough.

I also don't know with what hands he'd be 3 betting, and why. 65s is the only draw hand you can have.

I guess this is fine with listed history, but it's not really a situation I've been in.

Re: QQ v delta_k

seems similar to the pot that bertkc and i played a week or so ago when i had AJ.... i think he folds his bluffs and calls with whatever he was value raising, i kind of doubt delta 3bets TT here. He may fold enough to make it +EV but hes not 3bet/folding AA/KK or sets obv

Re: QQ v delta_k

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $417.15
UTG+1: $364.44
CO: $194.15
Button: $94.05
SB: $203.20
orange: $400

Pre-flop: (6 players) orange is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $8, 2 folds, orange raises to $27, CO calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($55, 2 players)
orange bets $44, CO raises all-in $167.15, orange calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($389.3, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $389.3)

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($389.3, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $389.3)

Results:
Final pot: $389.3
CO Shows Qc Qh
orange Shows 9c 9s

Re: QQ v delta_k

[ QUOTE ]

if you are going to play it like you did preflop then raising this flop isn't good.

[/ QUOTE ]

this can't be right.

Re: QQ v delta_k

[ QUOTE ]
if you are going to play it like you did preflop then raising this flop isn't good.

[/ QUOTE ]

what? of course it is

std orange (post flop anyway)

Re: QQ v delta_k

thats a really dry board orange... he has to be worried about a set.

Re: QQ v delta_k

looks fine. When you're repping such a small range (sets only basically) I think delta's putting you on air a fair amount, or at least going crazy with 99-JJ enough for this to be fine. fortunately your range is MERGED!!

Re: QQ v delta_k

[ QUOTE ]
fortunately your range is MERGED!!

[/ QUOTE ]

how is his range merged? delta is never folding a better hand.

Re: QQ v delta_k

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
fortunately your range is MERGED!!

[/ QUOTE ]

how is his range merged? delta is never folding a better hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't see what your second sentence has to do with your first. Orange's range is merged because he's repping sets but he also has overpairs.

Re: QQ v delta_k

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
fortunately your range is MERGED!!

[/ QUOTE ]

how is his range merged? delta is never folding a better hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't see what your second sentence has to do with your first. Orange's range is merged because he's repping sets but he also has overpairs.

[/ QUOTE ]

i was confused for a second. disregard my post.

Re: QQ v delta_k

Orange, seriously, if you posted this cuz of something delta_k said, you already know the answer right ? Probably the opposite of whatever he said [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

Ie - this is totally std, pre and post [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: QQ v delta_k

what was the controversy surrounding him?

Re: QQ v delta_k

yea the hand is uninteresing. I want the juice on delta

Re: QQ v delta_k

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
if you are going to play it like you did preflop then raising this flop isn't good.

[/ QUOTE ]

what? of course it is

std orange (post flop anyway)

[/ QUOTE ]

stacking off 200BB with the 3rd best overpair on a ridiculously dry board is not std.

Re: QQ v delta_k

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
if you are going to play it like you did preflop then raising this flop isn't good.

[/ QUOTE ]

what? of course it is

std orange (post flop anyway)

[/ QUOTE ]

stacking off 200BB with the 3rd best overpair on a ridiculously dry board is not std.

[/ QUOTE ]

UTG has 120bbs

Re: QQ v delta_k

villain has a 125bb stack

Re: QQ v delta_k

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
if you are going to play it like you did preflop then raising this flop isn't good.

[/ QUOTE ]

what? of course it is

std orange (post flop anyway)

[/ QUOTE ]

stacking off 200BB with the 3rd best overpair on a ridiculously dry board is not std.

[/ QUOTE ]

UTG has 120bbs

[/ QUOTE ]

oh nvm my bad

Re: QQ v delta_k

how many hands do you have at 1/2 ?

i like ur line

Re: QQ v delta_k

[ QUOTE ]
seems similar to the pot that bertkc and i played a week or so ago when i had AJ.... i think he folds his bluffs and calls with whatever he was value raising, i kind of doubt delta 3bets TT here. He may fold enough to make it +EV but hes not 3bet/folding AA/KK or sets obv

[/ QUOTE ]

i just noticed he wasnt deep, what kind of a pansy buys in less than full here OH DELTA DUH. uh yea anyway nh.

Re: QQ v delta_k

[ QUOTE ]
Orange, seriously, if you posted this cuz of something delta_k said, you already know the answer right ? Probably the opposite of whatever he said [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

Ie - this is totally std, pre and post [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]
no, as i stated in cheese, i thought that i played this fine (i think?). he babbled in chat how 'there are so many things he could have said about how wrong i played it, etc'. anyways he folded and i win. ty for replies.

edit, he also said 'thats respect right there. there isn't any way you do this without 777'.

Re: QQ v delta_k

What happened to delta_k anyways? I haven't seen him in like months.

Re: QQ v delta_k

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
if you are going to play it like you did preflop then raising this flop isn't good.

[/ QUOTE ]

what? of course it is

std orange (post flop anyway)

[/ QUOTE ]

Wait, you are agreeing with the first guy that raising flop is bad if you call pre-flop, but telling orange (who raised flop after calling preflop) that this is standard?

Make up your mind...

Perhaps you mispoke.

I think that if you just call preflop, raising flop is great because villain's never going to put you on QQ+ and will felt 99-JJ (on this board).

But the first guy said that if you just call pre-flop, you should not raise here.

Just to clarify...who do you think is right?

Re: QQ v delta_k

delta k is the man. one day he will gloriously return

Re: QQ v delta_k

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Orange, seriously, if you posted this cuz of something delta_k said, you already know the answer right ? Probably the opposite of whatever he said [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

Ie - this is totally std, pre and post [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]
no, as i stated in cheese, i thought that i played this fine (i think?). he babbled in chat how 'there are so many things he could have said about how wrong i played it, etc'. anyways he folded and i win. ty for replies.

edit, he also said 'thats respect right there. there isn't any way you do this without 777'.

[/ QUOTE ]

umm DUCY this means you played the hand poorly?

Re: QQ v delta_k

why didn't you 3bet pre?

Re: QQ v delta_k

if i know delta_k well, his UTG range is pretty open right? 3bet pre, cb flop, have him put you on AK, call his push...

Re: QQ v delta_k

eh...i forgot to mention that he's opened and i 3-bet twice this session and he's folded. by all means 3-betting pf/betting flop is std, i decided to do something different v. a reg this time. i also think that calling the flop is an option, but i really expect him to call the flop shove w. stuff like TT (if he so chooses to take this line with it).

Re: QQ v delta_k

[ QUOTE ]
eh...i forgot to mention that he's opened and i 3-bet twice this session and he's folded. by all means 3-betting pf/betting flop is std, i decided to do something different v. a reg this time. i also think that calling the flop is an option, but i really expect him to call the flop shove w. stuff like TT (if he so chooses to take this line with it).

[/ QUOTE ]
seems like your expecting delta_k to be on the third level here when it would be more profitable to keep it simple. I understand that you want to mix it up against a good reg, but I'd rather mix it up with a bluff/semibluff and frustrate him into giving me money in the simple situations.