Snap folding my flush, super standard? Deep
 

Guy who shoves hand is hand #2 is a regular (23/16/4) and overly aggro postflop in a lot of spots. Below is one hand we played earlier in the sesh.

CO ($200.65)
Button ($133.14)
SB ($249.01)
BB ($200.40)
Hero ($239.25)
MP ($202)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($8.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $18</font>, BB calls $13.

River: ($44.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $35</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $123</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $217.25</font>, BB calls $55.40 (All-In).

Final Pot: $401.30
Villain had <font color="white">32hh </font>
I threebet this hand because in our last session he stacked off for ~150bb w/ TPGK in a 3bet pot.

Anyway here is the hand of interest. No reads on SB. BB is villain from previous hand. Turbo muck this deep right esp given SB's flop coldcall and turn donk?

Button ($34.85)
SB ($185.56)
BB ($805)
Hero ($200)
MP ($214.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($12) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $23</font>, SB calls $23, BB calls $16.

Turn: ($81) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $42</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $778</font>, Hero folds(right?)

Re: Snap folding my flush, super standard? Deep
 

hell no don't fold

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whose villian??? i doubt im folding tho

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hell no don't fold

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this definitely isn't a snap-fold

but it's a fold nonetheless.

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whose villian??? i doubt im folding tho

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Guy is schocho or something like that, closed out PT. He used to play a lot more often, hadnt seen him in a few weeks.



What do people put SB on here?

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What do people put SB on here?

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flush or JT

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lol at folding.

Lets see, you raised the flop to get it in if you hit because he stacked of with TPTK somewhat deep in a previous hand. You then bet 1/2 pot on the turn which is all but telling him to raise, he obliges, and you fold?? Again, LOL.

in before "put him on a range" - ok, 33/99/QQ-AA/AQ/KQ/AKd/AJd/ATd/KJd

Re: Snap folding my flush, super standard? Deep
 

oh SB bet 1/2 pot and BB shoved...you think he's forcing you out with the nut flush?

HERO CALLS

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lol at folding.

Lets see, you raised the flop to get it in if you hit because he stacked of with TPTK somewhat deep in a previous hand. You then bet 1/2 pot on the turn which is all but telling him to raise, he obliges, and you fold?? Again, LOL.

in before "put him on a range" - ok, 33/99/QQ-AA/AQ/KQ/AKd/AJd/ATd/KJd

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hero didn't bet the turn

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lol at folding.

Lets see, you raised the flop to get it in if you hit because he stacked of with TPTK somewhat deep in a previous hand. You then bet 1/2 pot on the turn which is all but telling him to raise, he obliges, and you fold?? Again, LOL.

in before "put him on a range" - ok, 33/99/QQ-AA/AQ/KQ/AKd/AJd/ATd/KJd

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Learn to read the hand history before you give the attitude. I want to hear your opinion because I respect you but I didnt donk turn and I pretty clearly said that in the OP since people always seem to miss stuff like that.

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hero didn't bet the turn

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EZ fold. Read the hand again Casper. I don't know that BB has the flush. But SB probably does. Somebody does too often imo.

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oh SB bet 1/2 pot and BB shoved...you think he's forcing you out with the nut flush?

HERO CALLS

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Re: Snap folding my flush, super standard? Deep
 

He *might* not have the nut flush, but there's more flushes you lose to that beat. It's quite difficult to come up with 2 hands you beat.

Re: Snap folding my flush, super standard? Deep
 

how far apart are these hands?? how/y is BB betting this much with a big flush??

ugh, sb's range might be smaller than i intially thought tho

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meh...I don't think it's a snap anything given your read. I think against a different opponent it would definitely be a snap fold but this guy doesn't sound as table aware as he should be and seems to overvalue his hands in a pretty major way. I'm actually not afraid of getting it in vs him because of all of this.

SB makes it more interesting and might be what pushes me over the edge towards mucksville.

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He *might* not have the nut flush, but there's more flushes you lose to that beat. It's quite difficult to come up with 2 hands you beat.

[/ QUOTE ]sets, TJ, AQ, KQ, KK, AA

Re: Snap folding my flush, super standard? Deep
 

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He *might* not have the nut flush, but there's more flushes you lose to that beat. It's quite difficult to come up with 2 hands you beat.

[/ QUOTE ]sets, TJ, AQ, KQ, KK, AA

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and your range for SB?

Re: Snap folding my flush, super standard? Deep
 

casper, the flush came and they aren't worried.

ez fold

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what about the possibilty that SB folds his flush after we call BB??

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casper, the flush came and they aren't worried.

ez fold

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ikestoys,

what's with your avatar =(

Re: Snap folding my flush, super standard? Deep
 

This is a very easy fold (if you actually read and understand the action). One of them has you beat almost every time.

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what about the possibilty that SB folds his flush after we call BB??

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0% chance for a random donk.

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mmmk agree to disagree with everybody I guess

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why raise the flop

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Anyway thanks for the replies wanted to make sure I wasnt crazy. I found a fold because the betting on the turn on a diamond seemed like they didnt even care esp after I raised flop. Even the best realistic situations of both their ranges had both of them still drawing live.

Results: <font color="white">BB A9dd SB QQ </font>

Re: Snap folding my flush, super standard? Deep
 

why do u raise the flop??

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casper, the flush came and they aren't worried.

ez fold

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ikestoys,

what's with your avatar =(

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gonna guess he's from michigan

Re: Snap folding my flush, super standard? Deep
 

Regain the initiative, build a pot (200bbs) if I hit, free card if I decide I want it, keep my hand (draws+made) actions balanced.

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ikestoys,

what's with your avatar =(

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Especially after my Buckeyes pounced on the Wolverines.. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Snap folding my flush, super standard? Deep
 

yeah but u had enough odds to call with +EV and less variance...

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ikestoys,

what's with your avatar =(

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Especially after my Buckeyes pounced on the Wolverines.. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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i think it's me, 4-0 since i started school at osu. obv me.

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yeah but u had enough odds to call with +EV and less variance...

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Dude, this is fine. Read and think about what RF said. Plus he forgot "Villains will often fold".