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From http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/.

Who would have guessed a conservative bible thumper would be the first one out on the DC madam list. How many times does it take to get a listing in the black book, I wonder. I have sympathy for his family, but this guy runs on family values, criticizes liberal Hollywood and all that.

Check out the Tony Snow video also, see who is more sleazy, its a tough call. Those Iraqi benchmarks he says will be a mix-bag...not really, reports confirm that not a damn one has been met.

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Considering this is the state that gave us the infamous David Duke vs. Edwin Edwards gubenatorial race, this might not cause a big controversy. In all seriousness..yeah, this looks really bad. If you are going to campaign on family values, you really shouldn't bang hookers.

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Who would have guessed a conservative bible thumper would be the first one out on the DC madam list.

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Not me. Totally shocked.

Remember, though, heterosexual marriage is the cornerstone of American family life and is a cherished and respected institution that teh gayz and Hollywood liberals just won't stop attacking. Vote GOP '08 if you want to "protect" marriage.

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The hilarious thing is, Debroah Jean Palfrey's DC Madame ring isn't even the first prostitution scandal Vitter is rumored to be involved in:

http://www.politicsla.com/columns/Ti...side_track.htm

"Vincent Bruno, secretary of the Republican Party of Jefferson Parish and a member of the RSCC, alleged that Congressman David Vitter had engaged in an extramarital affair. In what was a high-stakes political battle between some of the most prominent members of the Louisiana Republican Party, Bruno charged that a prostitute, who stated her name to be Wendy Cortez, allegedly confessed to him to having a paid sexual relationship with Vitter.

Three separate and independent sources, including WDSU-TV reporter Richard Angelico, confirmed Bruno's allegation. Each had spoken to Cortez personally, and she recounted to them the details of her alleged affair with Vitter."

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Not me. Totally shocked.

Remember, though, heterosexual marriage is the cornerstone of American family life and is a cherished and respected institution that teh gayz and Hollywood liberals just won't stop attacking. Vote GOP '08 if you want to "protect" marriage.



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Same type of shock when liberal "environmentals" live in mansions, ride around in SUV's and fly in their private jets. Do as I say, not as I do.

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"the state that gave us the infamous David Duke vs. Edwin"
David Duke Interview on Donahue during that race

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Who do the Democrats have from LA? Isn't the guy with $100,000 in his freezer from LA?

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Who do the Democrats have from LA? Isn't the guy with $100,000 in his freezer from LA?

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Yes, that's William "The Refrigerator" Jefferson. He is a Congressman from New Orleans. It is a state that has given the US a lot of colorful and corrupt characters.

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"the state that gave us the infamous David Duke vs. Edwin"
David Duke Interview on Donahue during that race

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Duke looks like the smartest person in the room by a pretty huge margin there.

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From http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/.

Who would have guessed a conservative bible thumper would be the first one out on the DC madam list. How many times does it take to get a listing in the black book, I wonder. I have sympathy for his family, but this guy runs on family values, criticizes liberal Hollywood and all that.

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Senator's Number on Escort Service List


"This was a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible," Vitter said in the statement. "Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling. Out of respect for my family, I will keep my discussion of the matter there - with God and them. But I certainly offer my deep and sincere apologies to all I have disappointed and let down in any way."

So he apologizes for something that he did in the past (don't know when he started lighting into hollywood), asks for forgiveness, and admits he acted inappropriately and that's apparently not good enough for you. Also I'm sure you'd be fine with it if he was on the left because [sarcasm]we know that liberals are never hypocrites.[/sarcasm]





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Check out the Tony Snow video also, see who is more sleazy, its a tough call. Those Iraqi benchmarks he says will be a mix-bag...not really, reports confirm that not a damn one has been met.

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I didn't check out the video.

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So he apologizes for something that he did in the past (don't know when he started lighting into hollywood), asks for forgiveness, and admits he acted inappropriately and that's apparently not good enough for you. Also I'm sure you'd be fine with it if he was on the left because [sarcasm]we know that liberals are never hypocrites.[/sarcasm]

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If he apologizes for lying to his constituents in 2004, I will consider forgiving him. I understand that sexual desire is impossible to control in a lot of people. I understand the need to lie about it. However, immoral sexual behavior and lying are wrong, so he needs to apologize for both.


http://www.politicsla.com/columns/Ti...side_track.htm

"Vitter responded, "I think you know that that alligation is abosultely and completely untrue...I have said that on numerous occassions...I'll say that in any forum...Unfortuanately, that's just crass Louisiana politics, now that I am running for the Senate. I have made that clear that it is alll completely untrue...And, it's obviously politically motivated." "

The hypocrisy of being a defender of "traditional values", which, lets be honest here, is just demonizing gays for the most part, really make this pretty bad.

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If he apologizes for lying to his constituents in 2004, I will consider forgiving him. I understand that sexual desire is impossible to control in a lot of people. I understand the need to lie about it. However, immoral sexual behavior and lying are wrong, so he needs to apologize for both.

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I'll skip the obvious question on what constitutes immoral sexual behavior because I'm fairly certain that you don't want to take the position that sex with a prostitute is immoral. Also fairly certain that you don't want to take the position that extra marital sex is necessarily immoral. Marriages vary and what he should and shouldn't apologize to his family for is his private concern. Whether or not his family forgives him is their private matter.

As far as lying to his constituents and apologizing, they get to vote so if he hasn't made it right with them he'll know soon enough.

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http://www.politicsla.com/columns/Ti...side_track.htm

"Vitter responded, "I think you know that that alligation is abosultely and completely untrue...I have said that on numerous occassions...I'll say that in any forum...Unfortuanately, that's just crass Louisiana politics, now that I am running for the Senate. I have made that clear that it is alll completely untrue...And, it's obviously politically motivated." "

The hypocrisy of being a defender of "traditional values", which, lets be honest here, is just demonizing gays for the most part, really make this pretty bad.

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I don't interpret this statement as being anti gay. I never claimed that he wasn't being a hypocrite. Just pointing out that being a hypocrit isn't solely in the realm of bible thumping coservatives.

Out of curiosity, have you ever been a hypocrit? I'll make a revealing confession, I have been hypocrit before.

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Regarding sex, I consider the type of behavior in question "immoral" in that it inevitably increases one's desire, one's misery. I am on a pretty traditional Buddhist path. I am aware that his behavior isn't considered "wrong" for a lot of people, and my sense is that liberals in general are probably more apt to see things this way than conservatives, but not this liberal.

I agree the voters can vote him out, but he lied before he got elected so he was elected under somewhat false pretenses, but I doubt he's the first politician who has accomplished this!

The gay issue has been used repeatedly by Rove and other conservatives as a wedge issue for political gain. I have been a hypocrit, you have, we all have of course, its perhaps a matter of degree. Since I forgave Clinton, I will forgive this guy, but Clinton never made other people's moral behavior an issue as this guy no doubt did as its SOP for conservatives, and that's a fact in my book. From gambling to peoples bedrooms, they stick their nose where it doesn't belong, they can at least practice what they preach.

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Another Senator cheating on his wife. He even admits it on the Senate floor. Senator Bill Nelson of Florida apparently had great sex while in the military. Listen to him explain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKGYLB-vXoQ

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Check out the Tony Snow video also, see who is more sleazy, its a tough call. Those Iraqi benchmarks he says will be a mix-bag...not really, reports confirm that not a damn one has been met.

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BS Alert. Either you didn't read the report or choose to misrepresent the purpose and content of the report.

The purpose is NOT to determine whether benchmarks have been met, it is to assess whether SATISFACTORY PROGRESS has been made toward meeting them.

If you truthfully represent the purpose of the report then the content is exactly as described...a mixed bag. 9 of the benchmarks show satisfactory progress, 9 dont.

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Check out the Tony Snow video also, see who is more sleazy, its a tough call. Those Iraqi benchmarks he says will be a mix-bag...not really, reports confirm that not a damn one has been met.

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BS Alert. Either you didn't read the report or choose to misrepresent the purpose and content of the report.

The purpose is NOT to determine whether benchmarks have been met, it is to assess whether SATISFACTORY PROGRESS has been made toward meeting them.

If you truthfully represent the purpose of the report then the content is exactly as described...a mixed bag. 9 of the benchmarks show satisfactory progress, 9 dont.

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hhhhhhhhhhijack This was actually a good thread up to this point I wanna hear more about this.

I don't see how anyone can call sex immoral. If that's true then the entire human race is built on immorality.

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My post was made prior to the release of the official report. I was going by media reports in anticipation of the report. I admit I get a lot of my news from liberal sources on the web. I'm an interested in hearing your thoughts on this critique of the 9 out of 18 in actual report -

http://www.slate.com/id/2170303/

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Check out the Tony Snow video also, see who is more sleazy, its a tough call. Those Iraqi benchmarks he says will be a mix-bag...not really, reports confirm that not a damn one has been met.

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BS Alert. Either you didn't read the report or choose to misrepresent the purpose and content of the report.

The purpose is NOT to determine whether benchmarks have been met, it is to assess whether SATISFACTORY PROGRESS has been made toward meeting them.

If you truthfully represent the purpose of the report then the content is exactly as described...a mixed bag. 9 of the benchmarks show satisfactory progress, 9 dont.

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hhhhhhhhhhijack This was actually a good thread up to this point I wanna hear more about this.

I don't see how anyone can call sex immoral. If that's true then the entire human race is built on immorality.

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My comment on sexual morality dealt with a married man regularly having sex with prostitutes. Clearly this is hurtful for his wife. I also think that road leads to harm for the dude. I don't really want to get into it here though.

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Your not saying that that specific statement is anti-gay but claiming that when GOP politicians state they're supporting "traditional values" they're using code words for demonizing gays. Not sure that's true but maybe. There are Democrats who claim they support "traditional values" too but nobody is labling them as demonizing gays. Is it your believe that those who oppose gay marriage are homophobic? My impression is that many on the left label those who don't completely support their agenda for "gay rights" as being bigoted and homophobic.

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My post was made prior to the release of the official report. I was going by media reports in anticipation of the report. I admit I get a lot of my news from liberal sources on the web. I'm an interested in hearing your thoughts on this critique of the 9 out of 18 in actual report -

http://www.slate.com/id/2170303/

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Is it worth the effort? I certainly dont know as much as the authors of the report, nor enough to judge whether the benchmarks are satisfactory or not....and neither does Slate.

My spin on Slates spin of the author's spin? Sounds too much like the Mevlevis [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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My comment on sexual morality dealt with a married man regularly having sex with prostitutes. Clearly this is hurtful for his wife. I also think that road leads to harm for the dude. I don't really want to get into it here though.

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Depends on whose morals. You're clearly making a moral judgement yet you criticize right wing supporters of "traditional values" for doing the same thing i.e. making a moral judgement about a private matter.

You wrote in a response to one of my posts:

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Since I forgave Clinton, I will forgive this guy, but Clinton never made other people's moral behavior an issue as this guy no doubt did as its SOP for conservatives, and that's a fact in my book.

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First of all you're clearly making Vitter's moral behavior an issue and second of all never made morals an issue?

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You said that you were sure I didn't "want to take the position that sex with a prostitute is immoral." I am not sure why you would say this, you don't know me and this belief is quite common in society, maybe since I am a poker player and a liberal you assumed that I thought it okay to cheat on your wife with hoes, but I don't and again you made this the issue. I told you that as a matter of fact, I do take that position. Some behavior hurts others and IMO hurts one's spiritual growth, I call this behavior immoral, and as I explained Vitter's sexual behavior is immoral in my book. But that was just in response to your incorrect assumption about me personally.

The issue is bringing morality into play in a political campaign, assuming moral superiority, and then violating one's professed moral code. The issue isn't Vitter's immoral (IMO) behavior, everybody acts immorally at times, and with regard to sex, its really tough for almost everybody, including me. The issue is whether it is right to use your moral code to prop yourself up, to bring down your opponent, to rile up your base, and then go ahead and violate pretty much everything you stand for. I stated quite clearly that I forgave Clinton for his immorality (IMO), and I can forgive Vitter, but his use of morality as a political weapon and his hypocrisy makes it worse (IMO, [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img])