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bobbyi 08-28-2006 09:19 PM

$100 NL Ugly Kings
 
I've been really active recently, raising a lot of pots (especially when BB limps, which he's done a lot) and betting a lot of flops and I've also bet the turn a lot when called on the flop because they've only called me on the flop when I actually had a strong hand. I've also given up pretty much every time that someone has played back at me.

I would usually fold this on the flop (yes?), but I thought it was more likely than usual he was testing me with a pocket pair or a 9 or flush draw. I was planning to fold if he made a big bet on the turn, but then he bet small and I decided to call. I was planning to fold to a big bet on the river, but then the ace came and suddenly one card beats me instead of 4.

I'm still unsure about every street here. Fold the flop? Fold the turn? Raise turn to see where I'm at? Fold river?

Stack sizes:
Hero: $275.42
UTG+1: $100.10
CO: $194.35
Button: $121.95
SB: $192.11
BB: $93

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3</font>, 2 folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($9.5, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $12</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($33.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $10</font>, Hero calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($53.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets all-in $68</font>, Hero calls.

DCWildcat 08-28-2006 09:21 PM

Re: $100 NL Ugly Kings
 
Looks perfect to my untrained eye

kitaristi0 08-28-2006 09:22 PM

Re: $100 NL Ugly Kings
 
I raise to $3.50 preflop or $4. $3 is a bit weak.

I check the flop a lot. Actually I probably check the flop always.

cts 08-28-2006 09:42 PM

Re: $100 NL Ugly Kings
 
I would generally check this flop.

bobbyi 08-28-2006 09:47 PM

Re: $100 NL Ugly Kings
 
When I check the flop, what often happens is that it checks around and then BB bets the turn. What do I do then? He could just be betting a pocket pair or anything because the flop checked around or he could easily actually have an ace. Or he could be running me into the guy behind me with an ace. I really have being caught in the middle and not knowing what is going on.

Duerig 08-28-2006 09:49 PM

Re: $100 NL Ugly Kings
 
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I would generally check this flop.

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What would you do on this flop w/ AK?

Dan Bitel 08-28-2006 09:51 PM

Re: $100 NL Ugly Kings
 
bobbyi,

If I checked flop, I'd call turn

Duerig,

Yeah, I'd bet flop with AK, but I wouldn't with A2

Redd 08-28-2006 09:53 PM

Re: $100 NL Ugly Kings
 
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I check the flop a lot. Actually I probably check the flop always.

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Why? And how do you respond to a PSB?

gimmetheloot 08-28-2006 10:15 PM

Re: $100 NL Ugly Kings
 
Redd, because it is difficult to get called by worse hands.

If it gets checked around and BB bets turn, I fail to see the problem with this..

yad 08-28-2006 10:34 PM

Re: $100 NL Ugly Kings
 
nh. I also usually check the flop, then will definitely call the turn if bet into. As played I am never folding to the flop minraise.

Rest of the hand is perfect. Nice river.

bilbo-san 08-29-2006 12:09 AM

Re: $100 NL Ugly Kings
 
I check this flop a good % of the time, even maybe 25% of the time with AK. In both cases, you don't want lower PPs to fold the flop.

I sometimes fold to the flop raise. As played, though, I don't think I could find a fold on the river.

bilbo-san 08-29-2006 12:11 AM

Re: $100 NL Ugly Kings
 
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I check the flop a lot. Actually I probably check the flop always.

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Why? And how do you respond to a PSB?

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So that TT-QQ will bet, when they would otherwise fold. Standard WA/WB play.

As to the PSB, depends on the player. Some only ever bet pot, so I would not worry about the bet size.

Redd 08-29-2006 12:32 AM

Re: $100 NL Ugly Kings
 
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I check the flop a lot. Actually I probably check the flop always.

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Why? And how do you respond to a PSB?

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So that TT-QQ will bet, when they would otherwise fold. Standard WA/WB play.

As to the PSB, depends on the player. Some only ever bet pot, so I would not worry about the bet size.

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I'm very new to NL, so I'm afraid I don't really know many of the the standard plays yet. I'm familiar with WA/WB from limit, but couldn't we maintain better control of how big the pot gets if we're the ones doing the betting? This seems like it would be a big priority for someone who's WA/WB.

Trader_Joe 08-29-2006 12:44 AM

Re: $100 NL Ugly Kings
 
Hey, I don't see that why check this flop with 3 opponents. Could someone explain to me? Thank you.


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