10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

Vilain seems standart TAP preflop. He's not a regular as far as I know but sat on a few tables all at the same time, possibly a pro.

I've been playing TAG so far not getting out of line.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $10/$20 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $2288
BB: $2000
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $3419</font>
MP: $3780
CO: $2117
BTN: $1952

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $70</font>, MP folds, CO calls $70, BTN folds, SB calls $60, BB folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($230) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $200</font>, CO calls $200, SB folds

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($630) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $500</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $1847</font>, Hero?

Re: 10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

Easy call imo.

I've seen TT-AA do this before, as well as Ahxh.

Re: 10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

I think a set is unlikely since I have a five and a flopped set would probably raise, but then again wouldn't he flat call with 99/TT and reraise preflop with JJ+.
Anyone care to guesstimate a range for vilain?

Re: 10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

I can see him on any heart flush draw, maybe Ah8h or Ah5h in some extreme cases, and a lot of times I see TT/99 as said previously.
There s no way I fold this.

Re: 10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

I would call this, but I don't particularly like it.

Re: 10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

His range is too big to fold without more info on his play. I could see him do this with any flushdraw as well as combo draws,flopped sets,overpairs and or gutshots that filled up on the turn.

Re: 10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

I'd definitely add 78hh and 98hh to his range

Re: 10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

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Re: 10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

I think you can actually fold this against many players on party. Semi-bluff (and pure bluff) raises on the turn are actually very rare in my experience, so I don't see what we are beating.

Call agaisnt trickier players and unknowns, obviouslly.

Re: 10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

snap call

Re: 10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

i would call and feel very happy about it

Re: 10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

Get it in... whaddaya need?

This is definitely a drawy-float situation. 2 Pair is an easy call IMO.

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Easy call imo.

I've seen TT-AA do this before, as well as Ahxh.

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Re: 10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

if he's a multi tabler as you say i'd call. pretty margainal though

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I think you can actually fold this against many players on party. Semi-bluff (and pure bluff) raises on the turn are actually very rare in my experience, so I don't see what we are beating.

Call agaisnt trickier players and unknowns, obviouslly.

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Yeah I think this is definitely foldable in certain spots. When we are ahead our opponent usually has a ton of outs and when we are behind we have 0 to 4.

Re: 10-20 2 pairs on the turn, vilain raises all in.
 

Not always... many villians make this play with overpair in addition to Ah Xh, in which case he would be the one with 8 outs

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Not always... many villians make this play with overpair in addition to Ah Xh, in which case he would be the one with 8 outs

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I still consider 8 to be plenty of outs, maybe a not a "ton", but the point is against a tight player who doesn't play overpairs like this or pure bluff very often you are only going to have an average of about 3 outs when behind and ur opponent will probably average about 11 when you're ahead. This isn't an instacall. Your hand isn't much better than an overpair and there are plenty of tight players out there just set-mining, waiting to stack that type of hand.