Theory: Pot-sized Donkbets
 

What does a pot-sized or strong donkbet heads up in a Full Ring raised pot usually mean? Obviously multi-way it could very well be a strong hand but heads up there is less reason to believe so. I'm referring to NL$100-200 sort of level.

At 6 max a weak donkbet is as good as saying 'raise me' and a strong donkbet it usually a hand that feels vulnerable but would probably call one raise. I have no idea what full PSDB's are at FR (pot-sized-donk-bets).

Any thoughts or experience?

Re: Theory: Pot-sized Donkbets
 

Thanks for the post.. I hope it generates good discussion.

I rarely donk bet so I'm really operating in the dark but my impression is that PS donk bets (OOP betting into the PFR on the flop) are from a made weak hand or a huge combo draw.

Re: Theory: Pot-sized Donkbets
 

King Spew is generally right. PSDB's are a very strong move against passive opponents though.

This is a good post I commend you acevader.

Re: Theory: Pot-sized Donkbets
 

I have wondered if they are perhaps combo-draws as well. The old bet-3-bet to generate maximum fold equity.

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I would agree made weak hands and combo draws are often the case.
These give me trouble. I rarely have the balls to take them off a hand in this situation. I think they are rarely felting but its going to be so expensive and I'm going to have to really sell it.

Re: Theory: Pot-sized Donkbets
 

It is usually something - TPN/WK, a medium pair, a strong combo draw or something like that. It is almost never pure air.

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I make big donkbets into the PFR with my sets/straights/flushes. Is this bad?

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I make big donkbets into the PFR with my sets/straights/flushes. Is this bad?

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Re: Theory: Pot-sized Donkbets
 

Probably bad against some opponents and good against others. Judging from this thread I'd say the #1 thing you do with this bet is confuse your opponent, which may help you get three streets of value from some marginal hands if you keep firing, but makes it less likely they raise you with their strong hands. Seems like a great plan vs. fish who were loose enough PF to be holding a wide range of marginal hands now, but I feel like you can generally get more value versus a lot of players with other lines.

Re: Theory: Pot-sized Donkbets
 

I pretty much agree with whats been said here but I think it's also very much player and flop texture dependent.

If I flop a set on a wet board, against a player who doesn't auto CB, I'm not giving him a chance at a free card.

Re: Theory: Pot-sized Donkbets
 

I donkbet pure air a lot (if the board suits action+read). I also donk prs and draws depending on stack sizes and villains.

Sometimes this gets me into trouble, but more often it sends villains into tailspins of confusion. (either raising and folding to another donk on the next street, folding too lightly, or raising and calling a threebet too lightly)

I almost never donk big pots with weak hands or medium/short stacks oop. I have a really hard time not donking small pots with deep stacks from oop.

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I pretty much agree with whats been said here but I think it's also very much player and flop texture dependent.

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Player and flop dependent? WTF is this?
No way bro, donk bet=same thing every time obviously.
player dependent, pffff

Re: Theory: Pot-sized Donkbets
 

I simply do NOT make donk bets. If my hand is good enough to bet into a preflop raiser i think it's also good enough to raise him... so..

Against your standart donk it's sign of either medium pair weak kicker or some kind of draw that wants to get there cheap.

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Against your standart donk it's sign of either medium pair weak kicker or some kind of draw that wants to get there cheap.

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Do you mean smaller donk bets are a sign of some kind of draw wanting to get there cheap? If you think pot sized donk bets fall into this category too could you please elaborate?