NL 25/50 - Partypoker, Toppair vs Queenkris
 

Party Poker, $25/$50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 10 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

: $6,138
: $5,445
: $4,848
: $5,000
: $7,924.26
: $8,440
Hero (): $13,067
: $3,593
: $3,912
Queenkris: $8,790

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero ()
4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $175</font>, 2 folds, calls $175, folds, calls $125

Flop: ($550) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $400</font>, calls $400, folds

Turn: ($1,350) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1,050</font>, <font color="red"> raises to $2,200</font>, Hero ???


Havent played on Party for a while and jumped in the game cause a huge fish was sitting at the table.

Im really not sure what to do on this turn. Some people might know how queenkris plays. He is pretty loose preflop, coldcalling and opening a ton and capable of moves postflop.

Is it best to just fold the turn after his minraise? What about my turnplay? Is betting better than checking, i think so at least...

I am really not sure what to put him on after his raise. Is this ever a semibluff with diamonds?

Re: NL 25/50 - Partypoker, Toppair vs Queenkris
 

Against him bet the turn all day long.

His raise looks a lot like he wants cheap showdown but who really knows what this guy is thinking half the time. One thing for sure is that if he is bluffing you better be ready to call a big bet on the river.

Given it is FR I prob just muck. Not because his range is any tighter, just that he would expect that yours is.

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One thing for sure is that if he is bluffing you better be ready to call a big bet on the river.

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This hand shows why QK is tough to play against. He's got a bunch of leaks, but man does he put you in some [censored] spots...

Re: NL 25/50 - Partypoker, Toppair vs Queenkris
 

Callllllll it downnnn

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wp so far. Call turn. Call a lot of rivers.

Edit: I don't have a very strong read on Kris, so take that fwiw.

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wp so far. Call turn. Call a lot of rivers.

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Agree, and I've played a lot with kris.

Re: NL 25/50 - Partypoker, Toppair vs Queenkris
 

Queenkris = Krisqueen on other sites?

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Queenkris = Krisqueen on other sites?

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yes

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ended up folding on the turn.

what rivers would u consider folding or calling? theres obviously a ton of scarcards for me to come on the river.

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lol!

The guy who said "who knows what QueenKris is thinking half the time" lol does she even know what she's thinking lol. I've played so many hands against her and she's an absolute nutter you're right. I think you should call here, but you're right she does put you in some spots against other players this is a turbo muck heh.

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One thing for sure is that if he is bluffing you better be ready to call a big bet on the river.

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This hand shows why QK is tough to play against. He's got a bunch of leaks, but man does he put you in some [censored] spots...

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i disagree. QK has a ton of leaks so people assume that he is bluffing in spots like this when its actually an easy fold imho.

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lol!

The guy who said "who knows what QueenKris is thinking half the time" lol does she even know what she's thinking lol. I've played so many hands against her and she's an absolute nutter you're right. I think you should call here, but you're right she does put you in some spots against other players this is a turbo muck heh.

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First of all, Queenkris / Krisqueen is a guy. 2nd I really hate to play against him.
He is definately not one of the best players on Party but his unorthodox style might be one of the toughest to play against.
His bluffs are mostly well choosen, his bet sizes are enormously and he can value bet / call down very thin.
Overall a good winner in the higher stakes. This spot really sucks and I think history/reads/pace is very important to make accurate assumptions.
If you call the Turn then you should already think about which cards/betamounts you would call on the river, Queenkris is definately gonna follow up on the river with a huge bet most of the time.
In the given scenario I wouldn't mind to fold if you don't have a feeling for the situation.
Don't think there is much equity getting lost if you do fold. If I call then I think calling the river is mostly correct. So either give up on the turn or call him down (mostly).

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Take him down to value-town with the call here! 1 !

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QueenKris confuses the [censored] out of me.

Played a long 3 handed game on a few tables against him and Mofte.

QK would check call the flop, and if the turn went XX he would donk the river for pot with a retardly wide range of hands. He'd just start donking the river with all his hands that had now showdown value like 9 high missed gutterballs, and things like middle pair, bottom pair, top pair. It was BIZARRE.

It was really hard to know what he was thinking, because hed be turning hands with showdown value into bluffs, or either that or value betting so thin that he'd need to get called by A high to be good.

He did all sorts of random [censored] like cold call raises OOP with 39s, or 58o with only 100bb stacks.

Very strange player! VERY confusing.

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"He did all sorts of random [censored] like cold call raises OOP with 39s, or 58o with only 100bb stacks."

yeah, just play tight and don't get stacked with KJ on Kxxxx and you'll be fine.

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That makes no sense to me at all KKF, unless he's superpassive and is never bluffing and then he's bleeding money out of his eyes making those calls preflop.

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think his raise is shoiwing stregth like KQ or maybe rasing turn with value on A8hh idk tho queenkris is strange sumtime
shove click sitout next hand and walk away

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Your turn bet sucks. Im trying to figure out.. are you bluffing there or are you honestly betting for value..?

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Your turn bet sucks. Im trying to figure out.. are you bluffing there or are you honestly betting for value..?

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Who the [censored] are you? Ban please?

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Your turn bet sucks. Im trying to figure out.. are you bluffing there or are you honestly betting for value..?

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Who the [censored] are you? Ban please?

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if you have a problem with what im saying go ahead and say whats wrong and why. Saying [censored] like 'his analysis is f'ed up, ban please' is really not constructive.

I think a bet is bad on the turn. I think you only get called by stronger hands and you get played back a lot too and then you have to fold.
Betting flop is ok but on the turn I let QK hang himself by check/calling and check/calling any safe river.

Re: NL 25/50 - Partypoker, Toppair vs Queenkris
 

STOP.

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STOP.

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man you should be happy. I consistently play 10/20 NL and im not going anywhere so if im really so bad i should be a giant fish that you can consistently take money from. Ill give you my username so you can come to my tables and take my money: EvilEcstasy. I also spend many hours at the Hawaiian Gardens 10/20 NL and Commerce 10/20 NL so you can take my money there if you prefer.

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Your turn bet sucks. Im trying to figure out.. are you bluffing there or are you honestly betting for value..?

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Who the [censored] are you? Ban please?

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if you have a problem with what im saying go ahead and say whats wrong and why. Saying [censored] like 'his analysis is f'ed up, ban please' is really not constructive.

I think a bet is bad on the turn. I think you only get called by stronger hands and you get played back a lot too and then you have to fold.
Betting flop is ok but on the turn I let QK hang himself by check/calling and check/calling any safe river.

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I first read this and thought, WFT? QK has KJ dominated here this guy must be on crack.

I get it now. Villain is QK lolololololololololololo

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lol!

The guy who said "who knows what QueenKris is thinking half the time" lol does she even know what she's thinking lol. I've played so many hands against her and she's an absolute nutter you're right. I think you should call here, but you're right she does put you in some spots against other players this is a turbo muck heh.

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First of all, Queenkris / Krisqueen is a guy. 2nd I really hate to play against him.
He is definately not one of the best players on Party but his unorthodox style might be one of the toughest to play against.
His bluffs are mostly well choosen, his bet sizes are enormously and he can value bet / call down very thin.
Overall a good winner in the higher stakes. This spot really sucks and I think history/reads/pace is very important to make accurate assumptions.
If you call the Turn then you should already think about which cards/betamounts you would call on the river, Queenkris is definately gonna follow up on the river with a huge bet most of the time.
In the given scenario I wouldn't mind to fold if you don't have a feeling for the situation.
Don't think there is much equity getting lost if you do fold. If I call then I think calling the river is mostly correct. So either give up on the turn or call him down (mostly).

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I agree with all the above and really wonder what your sn is.

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Your turn bet sucks. Im trying to figure out.. are you bluffing there or are you honestly betting for value..?

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Who the [censored] are you? Ban please?

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if you have a problem with what im saying go ahead and say whats wrong and why. Saying [censored] like 'his analysis is f'ed up, ban please' is really not constructive.

I think a bet is bad on the turn. I think you only get called by stronger hands and you get played back a lot too and then you have to fold.
Betting flop is ok but on the turn I let QK hang himself by check/calling and check/calling any safe river.

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QFT, this improves his bluffing range and makes you tough to play against if your checks are unreadable.

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c/c turn and river sound reasonable too.

some of you most likely have much better reads on Queenkris than me.

In my experience he isnt very agressive overall, but will make really strange moves from time to time, and takes totally weird lines.

Might c/c, c/c just be better cause im in a really tough spot if he raises the turn, and i dont have a good enough read to make a good decision what to do?

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In my experience he isnt very agressive overall, but will make really strange moves from time to time, and takes totally weird lines and runs like God on a heatuuuuuuur


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