Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

Who's opening a bottle of a Bavarian Oktoberfest beer? Yep, me.

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

Woo first

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

I'm not sure who the bigger 2+2 fish is. Me for calling this hilariously obvious river bet, or this guy for playing quads this way:

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (7 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 6h 9h (four of a kind, nines).
Hero has Jc Qc (full house, nines full of jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 11 BB. </font>

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

Absolution: lol.. I bet he patted himself on the back for being "tricky".

Here's today's fun hand:

MP is 65/7

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (9.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (11.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.20 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP has Kc 7d (two pair, kings and sevens).
Hero has Tc Ts (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.20 BB.

I guess I'm just a pussy.
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I'm tired and I want to go to bed, but.. how often do you get position on a 65/7?

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

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I'm not sure who the bigger 2+2 fish is.

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Is it bad that whenever I read this I think to myself, "Oh please don't let me be the other guy in this hand."

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

Give me a break:

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Well my 98s is good for 3 cold here (this was always going 4 pre-flop because CO is tilting or just LAG.) SO PRETTY!

Flop: (20 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls $1 (All-In), MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Well, he bet and this is probably going to go 3 or 4 bets, but hey I HAVE A GUTSHOT SO I BETTER CALL.

Turn: (16.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

It only took spewing half your stack to finally make a right play.

River: (20.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qc Qh (one pair, queens).
BB has 9d 8d (straight, jack high).
UTG has Tc Qd (one pair, tens).
MP has Ts 8s (two pair, tens and eights).
CO has Jc Kc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 24.50 BB. </font>

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

As I was getting my ass handed to me yesterday, I remember thinking I was at some pretty tough tables. However, looking back, my hand histories are full of stuff like this.

POKERSTARS GAME #12370482065: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($30/$60) - 2007/10/01 - 01:33:57 (ET)
Table 'Vaticana' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: hg1689 ($1432 in chips)
Seat 2: Jazzyregina ($389 in chips)
Seat 3: Tryptamean ($1111.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Tavageza ($816 in chips)
Seat 5: tiger76 ($4780.50 in chips)
Seat 6: ppkaine ($800 in chips)
tiger76: posts small blind $15
ppkaine: posts big blind $30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tryptamean [As Ad]
hg1689: folds
Jazzyregina: calls $30
Tryptamean: raises $30 to $60
Tavageza: folds
tiger76: folds
ppkaine: folds
Jazzyregina: calls $30
*** FLOP *** [8d Th 4c]
Jazzyregina: bets $30
Tryptamean: raises $30 to $60
Jazzyregina: raises $30 to $90
Tryptamean: calls $30
*** TURN *** [8d Th 4c] [6h]
Jazzyregina: bets $60
Tryptamean: raises $60 to $120
Jazzyregina: raises $60 to $180
Tryptamean: calls $60
*** RIVER *** [8d Th 4c 6h] [9d]
Jazzyregina: bets $59 and is all-in
Tryptamean: calls $59
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jazzyregina: shows [Jh Qh] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Tryptamean: mucks hand
Jazzyregina collected $820 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $823 | Rake $3
Board [8d Th 4c 6h 9d]
Seat 1: hg1689 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Jazzyregina showed [Jh Qh] and won ($820) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 3: Tryptamean mucked [As Ad]
Seat 4: Tavageza (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tiger76 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: ppkaine (big blind) folded before Flop

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

I am pretty new to these, what does the following mean?
LC=
NC=

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

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I am pretty new to these, what does the following mean?
LC=
NC=

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low content/no content

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

Man, I'm several thousand ahead of where I was at this point last month already...

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

so does that mean you are up or down this month? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

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so does that mean you are up or down this month? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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exactly...

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

Got so unbelieavable tilted yesterday. I am sticking to 2 tables max for now until I get this undercontrol.

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

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Give me a break:

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Well my 98s is good for 3 cold here (this was always going 4 pre-flop because CO is tilting or just LAG.) SO PRETTY!

Flop: (20 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls $1 (All-In), MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Well, he bet and this is probably going to go 3 or 4 bets, but hey I HAVE A GUTSHOT SO I BETTER CALL.

Turn: (16.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

It only took spewing half your stack to finally make a right play.

River: (20.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qc Qh (one pair, queens).
BB has 9d 8d (straight, jack high).
UTG has Tc Qd (one pair, tens).
MP has Ts 8s (two pair, tens and eights).
CO has Jc Kc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 24.50 BB. </font>

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I would play BB's hand in the exact same way.

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

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Give me a break:

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Well my 98s is good for 3 cold here (this was always going 4 pre-flop because CO is tilting or just LAG.) SO PRETTY!

Flop: (20 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls $1 (All-In), MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Well, he bet and this is probably going to go 3 or 4 bets, but hey I HAVE A GUTSHOT SO I BETTER CALL.

Turn: (16.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

It only took spewing half your stack to finally make a right play.

River: (20.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qc Qh (one pair, queens).
BB has 9d 8d (straight, jack high).
UTG has Tc Qd (one pair, tens).
MP has Ts 8s (two pair, tens and eights).
CO has Jc Kc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 24.50 BB. </font>

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I decided to get my chat blocked because of hands like this. At first I get pissed and bitch at villain for getting so damn lucky. Then I realize I'd probably play his hand the same way he did...

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Give me a break:

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Well my 98s is good for 3 cold here (this was always going 4 pre-flop because CO is tilting or just LAG.) SO PRETTY!

Flop: (20 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls $1 (All-In), MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Well, he bet and this is probably going to go 3 or 4 bets, but hey I HAVE A GUTSHOT SO I BETTER CALL.

Turn: (16.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

It only took spewing half your stack to finally make a right play.

River: (20.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qc Qh (one pair, queens).
BB has 9d 8d (straight, jack high).
UTG has Tc Qd (one pair, tens).
MP has Ts 8s (two pair, tens and eights).
CO has Jc Kc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 24.50 BB. </font>

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I would play BB's hand in the exact same way.

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Then please sit at my tables. Haha. I hope you're joking.

Edit: Also, what's with veteran players always coming into the NC and saying things like this. Are you trying to tilt me outside of the table? 98s for 3 pre-flop is obviously a losing play, likewise with the 2 outer chasing on the flop for multiple bets.

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
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Give me a break:

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Well my 98s is good for 3 cold here (this was always going 4 pre-flop because CO is tilting or just LAG.) SO PRETTY!

Flop: (20 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls $1 (All-In), MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Well, he bet and this is probably going to go 3 or 4 bets, but hey I HAVE A GUTSHOT SO I BETTER CALL.

Turn: (16.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

It only took spewing half your stack to finally make a right play.

River: (20.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qc Qh (one pair, queens).
BB has 9d 8d (straight, jack high).
UTG has Tc Qd (one pair, tens).
MP has Ts 8s (two pair, tens and eights).
CO has Jc Kc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 24.50 BB. </font>

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I would play BB's hand in the exact same way.

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Then please sit at my tables. Haha. I hope you're joking.

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Nope. Dead serious.

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Give me a break:

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Well my 98s is good for 3 cold here (this was always going 4 pre-flop because CO is tilting or just LAG.) SO PRETTY!

Flop: (20 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls $1 (All-In), MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Well, he bet and this is probably going to go 3 or 4 bets, but hey I HAVE A GUTSHOT SO I BETTER CALL.

Turn: (16.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

It only took spewing half your stack to finally make a right play.

River: (20.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qc Qh (one pair, queens).
BB has 9d 8d (straight, jack high).
UTG has Tc Qd (one pair, tens).
MP has Ts 8s (two pair, tens and eights).
CO has Jc Kc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 24.50 BB. </font>

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I would play BB's hand in the exact same way.

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Then please sit at my tables. Haha. I hope you're joking.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nope. Dead serious.

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Congrats on hating money then.

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

850,668 games 0.020 secs 42,533,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.440% 40.19% 00.25% 341855 2157.40 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 15.454% 15.09% 00.37% 128326 3135.90 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 04.573% 04.02% 00.55% 34198 4700.40 { QdTc }
Hand 3: 14.708% 14.04% 00.67% 119441 5678.90 { Ts8s }
Hand 4: 24.825% 24.79% 00.04% 210840 335.40 { KcJc }

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

850,668 games 0.020 secs 42,533,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.440% 40.19% 00.25% 341855 2157.40 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 15.454% 15.09% 00.37% 128326 3135.90 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 04.573% 04.02% 00.55% 34198 4700.40 { QdTc }
Hand 3: 14.708% 14.04% 00.67% 119441 5678.90 { Ts8s }
Hand 4: 24.825% 24.79% 00.04% 210840 335.40 { KcJc }

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Because hot and cold equity is all that matters when calling 3 cold.

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

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Edit: Also, what's with veteran players always coming into the NC and saying things like this. Are you trying to tilt me outside of the table? 98s for 3 pre-flop is obviously a losing play, likewise with the 2 outer chasing on the flop for multiple bets.

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Why is playing 98s in a [censored] huge multuway pot such a horrible play? And doesn't he have at least 4 outs on the flop?

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

741 games 0.005 secs 148,200 games/sec

Board: 7s Jd 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.773% 47.77% 00.00% 354 0.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 15.385% 14.98% 00.40% 111 3.00 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 03.239% 03.24% 00.00% 24 0.00 { QdTc }
Hand 3: 17.139% 16.73% 00.40% 124 3.00 { Ts8s }
Hand 4: 16.464% 16.46% 00.00% 122 0.00 { KcJc }


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

38 games 0.005 secs 7,600 games/sec

Board: 7s Jd 3h 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 71.053% 71.05% 00.00% 27 0.00 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 05.263% 05.26% 00.00% 2 0.00 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 07.895% 07.89% 00.00% 3 0.00 { QdTc }
Hand 3: 02.632% 02.63% 00.00% 1 0.00 { Ts8s }
Hand 4: 13.158% 13.16% 00.00% 5 0.00 { KcJc }

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

850,668 games 0.020 secs 42,533,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.440% 40.19% 00.25% 341855 2157.40 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 15.454% 15.09% 00.37% 128326 3135.90 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 04.573% 04.02% 00.55% 34198 4700.40 { QdTc }
Hand 3: 14.708% 14.04% 00.67% 119441 5678.90 { Ts8s }
Hand 4: 24.825% 24.79% 00.04% 210840 335.40 { KcJc }

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Because hot and cold equity is all that matters when calling 3 cold.

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Where in this hand is villain calling 3 cold?

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

Absolution,

Villain has about 15% equity preflop. His preflop call is gambling, but it's not that much -EV.

Folding the flop in that spot is wrong imo. He has 4 outs to the nuts and the pot is huge, and there are overcallers as well.

Turn and river are perfectly played.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

88,534,973,435 games 439.769 secs 201,321,542 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 17.088% 16.24% 00.84% 14381285687 747527364.77 { 9s8s }
Hand 1: 15.439% 15.40% 00.04% 13632671205 36537344.60 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 2: 13.167% 12.22% 00.95% 10817456353 839858202.43 { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 3: 21.938% 21.11% 00.83% 18685666157 737244716.10 { 77+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QJo }
Hand 4: 32.369% 31.62% 00.75% 27998277441 660150301.10 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }


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Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,051,405 games 77.691 secs 26,404 games/sec

Board: 7s Jd 3h 8c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.362% 22.67% 00.69% 465010 14232.17 { 99+, ATs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 19.159% 17.87% 01.29% 366588 26444.92 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 16.475% 15.29% 01.19% 313653 24318.75 { 88-55, ATs-A2s, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, AJo-A7o, K9o+, Q9o+, JTo }
Hand 3: 16.422% 15.23% 01.19% 312475 24396.75 { 88-55, ATs-A2s, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, AJo-A7o, K9o+, Q9o+, JTo }
Hand 4: 24.583% 23.52% 01.06% 482560 21727.42 { 88+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, ATo+, KJo+ }


First off, he didn't call three cold. He was the BB.

Second, the point is that 98s is usually in pretty good shape, equity-wise, in a multiway pot.

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OK no more quoting. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


I know its LC/NC and I know you hate BB. But folding the flop would be silly not to say terrible. He is looking at odds between 15:1 (no more raising and all calls) and 10:1 (CO caps and MP folds) with 4 outs to the nuts and where any 9, 8, 6, 5 and diamond would improve his draw substantially. Cmon. Do you really think he should fold?



I dunno about preflop. But if I knew that you knew that CO had a huge range I am never folding. I doubt preflop is a huge -EV play.

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850,668 games 0.020 secs 42,533,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.440% 40.19% 00.25% 341855 2157.40 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 15.454% 15.09% 00.37% 128326 3135.90 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 04.573% 04.02% 00.55% 34198 4700.40 { QdTc }
Hand 3: 14.708% 14.04% 00.67% 119441 5678.90 { Ts8s }
Hand 4: 24.825% 24.79% 00.04% 210840 335.40 { KcJc }

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Because hot and cold equity is all that matters when calling 3 cold.

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Where in this hand is villain calling 3 cold?

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Pre-flop (see my read) and most likely on the flop. I'm done defending this and I'm going to assume you're all just trying to level me. Enjoy discussing the merits of playing suited connectors for multiple bets.

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This is a great spot for something like 98s.

It seems like you hold a big hand. If he flops a draw he likes, he can trap the other villains and, with your help, really pump the pot.

If he flops a draw he doesn't like so much, he will have the odds to draw. Plus, if he backdoors something less obvious than a four-straight, he can trap multiple players for multiple big bets.

I play like this in potentially huge pots all the time.

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850,668 games 0.020 secs 42,533,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.440% 40.19% 00.25% 341855 2157.40 { QcQh }
Hand 1: 15.454% 15.09% 00.37% 128326 3135.90 { 9d8d }
Hand 2: 04.573% 04.02% 00.55% 34198 4700.40 { QdTc }
Hand 3: 14.708% 14.04% 00.67% 119441 5678.90 { Ts8s }
Hand 4: 24.825% 24.79% 00.04% 210840 335.40 { KcJc }

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Because hot and cold equity is all that matters when calling 3 cold.

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Where in this hand is villain calling 3 cold?

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Pre-flop (see my read) and most likely on the flop. I'm done defending this and I'm going to assume you're all just trying to level me. Enjoy discussing the merits of playing suited connectors for multiple bets.

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Its fine you dont want to debate the hand further. I completely understand.

But from this thread I am 99% convinced that you have at least two leaks in your game you need to look at

a) fold less preflop when players are on tilt or just really LAG. Start calling 2, 3 and even 4 bets rather liberally if the pot is going to get multiway. I am not sure about 98s here. But folding JTs, 55 or AJo would be retarded IMO


b) Fold less postflop. The fact that you want BB to fold the flop here is surprising to me. He has a gut on a 3 suited flop with an extra bd straight draw a bd flush draw and runner runner trips/two pair. He is getting at least 10:1 not to mention he is going to win multiple BB's when he hits since there is a monkey in the hand.

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AJo &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&l t;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt; 98s

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Give me a break:

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Well my 98s is good for 3 cold here (this was always going 4 pre-flop because CO is tilting or just LAG.) SO PRETTY!

Flop: (20 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls $1 (All-In), MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Well, he bet and this is probably going to go 3 or 4 bets, but hey I HAVE A GUTSHOT SO I BETTER CALL.

Turn: (16.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, CO calls.

It only took spewing half your stack to finally make a right play.

River: (20.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qc Qh (one pair, queens).
BB has 9d 8d (straight, jack high).
UTG has Tc Qd (one pair, tens).
MP has Ts 8s (two pair, tens and eights).
CO has Jc Kc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 24.50 BB. </font>

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I would play BB's hand in the exact same way.

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+1

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

Sethy, why you got to be like that?

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

absolution,

me too. there's really no other way to play the hand.

Re: Official SSSH LC/NC Thread for October!
 

Sorry dog. That hand is a good illustration of why this game is swingy. The only guy who played his hand absolutely terribly was UTG - yeah you got a bunch of bets in good, keep doing this and $. But if you won this everytime, you wouldn't get to keep putting bets in this good, DUCY?

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98s is a fold in that spot preflop, its barely -EV, but a clear fold.
Im too tired to give an explanation.

Your terrible postflop position both relative to the raiser and the field makes drawing hands extremly difficult to play, especially in a bloated pot where people are going to be fighting hard to knock others out.

You'll have no idea how to asses how many bets you'll have to put in, cant bloat the pot well with a strong draw since the result is knocking ppl out of the pot, no positional control for free cards etc..

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anyone else think that it would be better for hero to c/r the turn? given the read on CO I doubt he is ever taking a free card, and a turn c/r can give us good protection in a huge pot

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fwiw I'd fold that preflop as well for the reasons heisen mentioned (poor position, absolute and relative)

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meh, I call that pf. You have a neutral ev situation and its fun to suck out and win a bit pot. Only concern is that one of the limpers will fold, but players who limp in 6max usually do not fold for 2 more in a 5 way pot.

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Is it just me or anyone has the same situation?
My PS was laggy as hell and I was auto-folded due to not act in time for 2 [censored] times when I had AA/set
(Also folding some hands which I didn't get to see)
If it's just me I am going to change an ISP!

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meh, I call that pf cause I dont like money

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sorry, felt like doing a tribute to ILP