200NL - Top two vs good player
 

Villain is RedGrape. Pretty solid and aggressive.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $201.70
BB: $97.50
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $289.00</font>
CO: $287.35
BTN: $188.95

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/Qd.png http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/Kh.png (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $7.00, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($17) http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/Ks.png http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/Qs.png http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/cards/color/2d.png (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $12.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $36.00</font>

Re: 200NL - Top two vs good player
 

Make it $106, shove any turn.

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Make it $106, shove any turn.

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What part of his range do I ever get value from when I make it 106?

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What part of his range do I ever get value from when I make it 106?

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Big draws, and raising is more for protection.

Re: 200NL - Top two vs good player
 

I mean, i feel like I have to 3bet, but it feels awkward.

3betting sucks cuz every worse hand just always folds and it prevents from him bluffing ever.

However, if we don't 3bet, we give him free outs at a drawy board and we are OOP so we'd have to c/c flop, lead turn.

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Meh that's not a bad line either. I kind of like it actually. Are we b/f turn though if it's a spade? How good is villain? How accurately can he peg our range for calling/leading any turn?

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Meh that's not a bad line either. I kind of like it actually. Are we b/f turn though if it's a spade? How good is villain? How accurately can he peg our range for calling/leading any turn?

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If a spade drops on the turn, leading is probably suboptimal.

This is the problem with c/c flop. You need to pray for a brick to drop so you can lead turn.

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What part of his range do I ever get value from when I make it 106?

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The bad part!

Hopefully, he'll put you on a draw a call. However, it's hard to maximize value against worst part of his ranges because if you call his raise are you planning on checking the turn?

Being OOP, your choices are much more limited. I like to stay aggressive when being OOP.

Re: 200NL - Top two vs good player
 

call and stick it in on safe turn

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call and stick it in on safe turn

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o rly?

how?

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Meh that's not a bad line either. I kind of like it actually. Are we b/f turn though if it's a spade? How good is villain? How accurately can he peg our range for calling/leading any turn?

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What makes you think if we check the flop that he'll bet it for us? He wouldn't be the preflop raiser.

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I'd 3 bet to $77 total or so, looks airy and I think he would shove a lot of draws.

I like calling more in position, but OOP it can get ugly.

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I'd 3 bet to $77 total or so, looks airy and I think he would shove a lot of draws.

I like calling more in position, but OOP it can get ugly.

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this is interesting as well

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I'd 3 bet to $77 total or so, looks airy and I think he would shove a lot of draws.

I like calling more in position, but OOP it can get ugly.

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i'm not sure if you're raise looks airy...but it does look donkish. the only problem is that if you have a draw, then u need to call a push from villain. so it doesn't make much sense to try and push us off our draw if you're villain with a draw. At the same time, if the Villain has a draw and suspects you got a made hand, you're giving him good odds to draw.

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I'd 3 bet to $77 total or so, looks airy and I think he would shove a lot of draws.

I like calling more in position, but OOP it can get ugly.

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i'm not sure if you're raise looks airy...but it does look donkish. the only problem is that if you have a draw, then u need to call a push from villain. so it doesn't make much sense to try and push us off our draw if you're villain with a draw. At the same time, if the Villain has a draw and suspects you got a made hand, you're giving him good odds to draw.

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You misread my post. I said that villain will often shove a draw when we 3 bet small because our line looks like a made hand or complete air. I don't think 3 betting the flop small represents a draw at all, as it doesn't look like we're committed to calling a shove so why would we induce a bluff with just a draw? Doesn't make a lot of sense.