QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($917.60)
Hero ($445)
CO ($527.80)
Button ($394)
SB ($439)
BB ($189.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
]1 fold</font>, ]Hero raises to $14</font>, CO calls $14, [color=#666666]3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($34) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)</font>
Hero bets $24</font>, CO raises to $80, Hero goes all in for 160 more


villian is 25/20, mutlitabling

i rasie utg, he calls in hiajack...hes never calling here with ax right? so its either a set or fd?

Re: QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

assuming he doesn't raise here with air regularly, his range has you crushed

Re: QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

and this hand has me completely confused
if effective stack is $445 how is it that your flop push is for $240 total

or am i reading the hh wrong?

Re: QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

he couldn't have like AdJd?

Re: QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

hmm no idea, the converting got messed up and i jsut wrote that in cause its what i saw, maybe i saw wrong.... but whats his range here???? what aces are in his range. i dont think multitabling lags cold call utg raises with Ax in hijack....

Re: QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

he has pos on you, it's not a terrible spot to be playing Ax suited, and AJ-AK are definitely in his range.

Re: QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

are u guys serious? you really call an utg raiser in utg+1 with aq,aj axs...?

Re: QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

i can't really answer that question without knowing a bunch of variables that you haven't given. point is it isn't entirely unreasonable

Re: QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

With position, i would think he is more likely to float you than raise with his draws. i think your line is way too aggressive toward a narrow part of his range that even if he has, you are like 60/40 to beat. This is a bad spot tho, im not sure how id play the flop. I think if you get it all in like this tho it will end up with negative EV against his range.

Re: QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

Gross

Re: QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

i think this is bad ... u could easily have an ace here and he doesnt care. i bet fold here

Re: QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

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are u guys serious? YOU really call an utg raiser in utg+1 with aq,aj axs...?

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you is a bad term here .. hes a 25/20 .. .we dont know any of his other stats. a small part of his range would be draws and the rest is sets or an ace. i think its a clear bet fold

Re: QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

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are u guys serious? you really call an utg raiser in utg+1 with aq,aj axs...?

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This is not Texas. In 1973.

Re: QQ,ace on flop, shoveing over his raise...this ok?
 

This could be okay if the flop were example A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], cuz he couldn't have ace+flush draw, but even then I think its a bit apewy.

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assuming he doesn't raise here with air regularly, his range has you crushed

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I think this is incorrect. Be good if someone does the maths. We are likely slightly behind, but not crushed.

Just off the top of my head, his range is prob:

A2dd-AJdd = 8 hands that ... oh crap ... destroy us. I guess this is why AJ-AK here is not the same as QQ after all, cuz instead of splitting, we are totally destroyed

57dd/79dd/45s/9Ts = 4 hands of big draws we are splitting with (and there is 82 already in the pot).

Hmm ... that doesn't leave many possible draws that are not strong draws. Ok, I think this makes it much more of a fold too. I guess if it was like 3d4dAx or 9TddAx it there would be way more non-big draws in his range.

Oh, and then sets ya-da-ya-da

Ok, I concede - this is a god forsaken spot and we are totally crushed. I guess it's closer if we have an A, and if the 6 and 8 being in use don't skew a very high number of his draws to combo-draws.

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he has pos on you, it's not a terrible spot to be playing Ax suited, and AJ-AK are definitely in his range.

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Lol @ AQ/AK being in his range