Hey everyone (Prelim WW idea, need some help)
 

Hey everyone, I came up with idea for a ww game, and in a few weeks/months I might try to unload it on the POGgers, but without any exp in making/running one, I'd like to show my prelim rules of my game to see what everyone thinks. I know some are real good at pointing out flaws in game rules, so that's why I'm asking.

Good Guys

*Seer #1-100% chance to see-has a mason as well
*#1's Mason
*3-5 cops-mason's with 50% chance peek (must fail if last two worked)
*FBI agents (2-masoned)-75% chance of their peek going through
*another Masonry (2)(If Seer #1 and Mason are dead-each die back to back days)
*vanillagers

Evils (1 NK a night with an execption)

*Wolf A-can kill anyone who says his username/nickname (LuckayLuck or Luckay, or LL) in a post or vice-versa that day

*Wolf B-Can do same as Wolf A, can also do this with replies and quotes if they make the trade (see below)

*Wolf C-Can kill anyone who votes for Wolf A, but will die be dead either right away or after the next night ends (his choice)

*Wolf D-See C, but Wolf B and not A

I.CLAIMING=AUTO-DEATH THAT NIGHT , in addition to the normal NK(no side claims-those are also auto-death)

II.Trading gives Wolf B the reply/quote power, will die halfway between that night and final poss day. (8 poss days, done on N4, 8-4=4/2=2+4=6. Will die N6 if still alive)

III.Wolf A cannot trade, ever.

IV.A/B can give their kill power to any of the other wolves, peeked as non-evil at that point by cops/FBI

V.Must recieve ability back two nights later or auto dead.

VI.Can not NK someone if you gave up your ability.

VII.If B gives this up after the trade and gets their ability back, they lose trade power, but may trade again, but will lose half of remaining days

VIII.If A/B die, their kill power goes to C/D and he can use his the reply/quote ability without losing time.

IX.Good side does not know of power loses, the trade, or which day C/D did their vote kill.

X.Majority needed after day 2.

I got the idea from a Manga (it made me think of WW that's why I thought of this), so that's why some parts may seem weird.

I might change Wolf A's rule to the last day and the current day and B's for their entire time in game with the trade being in play and as long as A without the trade.

Thoughts?

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Strategy:
Don't post a thing. Store peeks, ship it.

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Don't post a thing. Store peeks, ship it.

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Hmm, good points, I knew you'd appear and point stuff out. There'd be some kind of one post a day rule and maybe I'd weaken the wolves powers (not the vice versa part) and I'd tie Seer #1 and his mason together. (One dies, other goes next day) and untie them from the villa masonry.

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Hmm, good points, I knew you'd appear and point stuff out. There'd be some kind of one post a day rule and maybe I'd weaken the wolves powers (not the vice versa part) and I'd tie Seer #1 and his mason together. (One dies, other goes next day) and untie them from the villa masonry.

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It's very easy to deny the wolves a night-kill. Incredibly easy.

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Maybe I'm misreading the rules. The wolves get a normal NK on top of these secret NK's correct?

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No, only a kill can be used if the Wolf's conidition is met.

But, if I'm wolf A and you vote me, I can kill you tonight or C could, but would die in 0-1 days because of it. Or if I vote you, I can kill you that night.

And if the kill opitions are low, A/B could give their kill power (IV-VII) to C/D and have them do it that night and the next.

Like I said LC, I'm just throwing things out there, just thought of this week and never made a game before, so if I actually run this one, my first post in this thread might not even resemble the finished game (But it should retain some of it's uniqueness, the LOTR WW's would have been dumb without the One Ring in them)

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I would deny wolves any chance of getting a night kill and lynch vanillagers for the first 10 or so days until there's a mortal lock on the game.

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*Seer #1-100% chance to see-has a mason as well
*#1's Mason
*3-5 cops-mason's with 50% chance peek (must fail if last two worked)
*FBI agents (2-masoned)-75% chance of their peek going through
*another Masonry (2)(If Seer #1 and Mason are dead-each die back to back days)
*vanillagers

Plus, this with only 4 wolves is just ridiculous.

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Most people switch their votes a lot in game, and if you vote a wolf or vice versa, you could be NKed that day/the next. But, this is in normal games, there'd by less of that in this one. Thanks for the input so far LC, I hope I/someone thinks of something to help fix it

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Most people switch their votes a lot in game, and if you vote a wolf or vice versa, you could be NKed that day/the next. But, this is in normal games, there'd by less of that in this one. Thanks for the input so far LC, I hope I/someone thinks of something to help fix it

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If you gave wolves one nk per night and gave them these extra kills on top of it optional, that would be fairer. (thought I still think about just lynching villagers straight down the line).

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Hey Jack, what about this WW idea... you play more.

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Hey Jack, what about this WW idea... you play more.

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I like that idea the most [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img], but I've had a lot of work to do, plus driving a good distance to get their (today I was away from the PC from 10:45AM till around 9PM). I'm making my comeback soon I hope.

About this game, I'll probably add the ability to kill the 2-5th wagons (number gets smaller late in game) for B after trade and C-D.

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Also, my first post would be something like this:
Ok guys, let's take the player list and number it from #1-#X. From now on, just refer to the numbers.

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Also, my first post would be something like this:
Ok guys, let's take the player list and number it from #1-#X. From now on, just refer to the numbers.

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You would still have to vote by name....

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I would deny wolves any chance of getting a night kill and lynch vanillagers for the first 10 or so days until there's a mortal lock on the game.

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Umm... How do you find the vanillagers again???

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I would deny wolves any chance of getting a night kill and lynch vanillagers for the first 10 or so days until there's a mortal lock on the game.

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Umm... How do you find the vanillagers again???

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Lynch REALLY bad.

How about these changes?
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A+B's default ability now also can do replied to/replied at.

B's enchanced ability/C+D's default if A or B give them the kill option (IV) is any poster of the day. (and since all most post at least once...)

If Seer #1 dies, mason auto dies next night. (If #1 is lynched, mason that night, if NKed, auto dead next night.)

Same deal with FBI agents and the vanilla masonry.

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Hi Jack. Don't know if I figured the rules right but if I did and if I were a villager in your game (as I am in like 99% of teh games but nobody ever believes me) I would claim vanilla, vote myself and encourage everyone to do that and not to mention any name in the topic (since wolves wouldn't have a NK in this way - did I get it right ?). Rince and repeat three or four times and it seems like village has a lock on this game.

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Hi Jack. Don't know if I figured the rules right but if I did and if I were a villager in your game (as I am in like 99% of teh games but nobody ever believes me , me too [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] ) I would claim vanilla, vote myself and encourage everyone to do that and not to mention any name in the topic (since wolves wouldn't have a NK in this way - did I get it right ?). Rince and repeat three or four times and it seems like village has a lock on this game.

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In my original idea, this would work for the most part, except B could cut their time in half and take out anyone who replied to them, quoted them, or anyone they replied to or quoted, and C+D could do the same if A or B gave them their power temporarily.

With my updated idea, A/B could hit anyone who they replied to or was replied to, A/B could give to C+D for a day or two and C/D could hit anyone, or B could cut their life in half and do the same.

I could just make this a basic game (1 seer, 1 backup seer, 4 evils, maybe keep the "C or D can do a suicide sacrifice on anyone whose vote ended on A or B (respectively)". But I prefer WW games that have some resemblence to the theme (Clue,LOTR games, ST:TNGs, Heroes, 007,24,etc...) instead of having a game with the names of charecters but nothing really about the theme (AS13, current AS has a Futurama theme, but it's not like any of the roles are based in Futurama lore. Not knocking those games, they were/look great.)

(Oh, and I'd add the rule stating the trio of cops will always see Wolf A as villa, a semi-godfather thing)

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Getting better.


*Seer #1-100% chance to see-has a mason as well
*#1's Mason
*3-5 cops-mason's with 50% chance peek (must fail if last two worked)
*FBI agents (2-masoned)-75% chance of their peek going through
*another Masonry (2)(If Seer #1 and Mason are dead-each die back to back days)

But this alone probably beats 4 regular wolves. (let alone wolves enhanced with nks)

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You forgot my new idea LC, if Seer 1 dies, Mason is Auto-dead next night, not couting the regular NK. Ditto if one of the FBI goes down or one of the villa masonry. And Cops always fail a peek of wolf A. And claiming your role gets a auto-death that night as well.

And the wolf rules are now: A and B regular can go for anyone they say's name/anyone who says them/replied to/replied at and B's special is anyone at the cost of half their time (which is C/D's normal if A/B let's them borrow thier kill for a night or two or if A is dead his goes to C and if B is dead his goes to D)

Thanks for the help. Can't wait to be able to play a game soon, and maybe even run this one with all the kinks out of it.

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omg I know where you got the inspiration. the manga is greeeat. however the anime is better.

(well, I haven't seen the manga, but watching tv > reading. orly? well maybe not)

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omg I know where you got the inspiration. the manga is greeeat. however the anime is better.

(well, I haven't seen the manga, but watching tv > reading. orly? well maybe not)

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I've only seen up to episode 3 of the anime, but it's a great anime. When I read all the crazy plots and leveling in the manga I thought "This would be great for WW." (The video game based on it is supposed to be a lot like mafia) and "Luckay would love this manga, if he reads manga."

The idea for the game I outlined is only up to the midway point of the story though because it's basically it's own story in it self, and the second half I don't like as much (still great though). I might take out the FBI and a convertable villager if wolf A finds them in my prelim rule set.

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omg I know where you got the inspiration. the manga is greeeat. however the anime is better.

(well, I haven't seen the manga, but watching tv > reading. orly? well maybe not)

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Luckay, I saw a guy last night who was a dead ringer for Wallace Shawn at the poker room. I was gonna ask him to sign an autograph to "Luckay Luck" but he left before I could get over to see if it was actually him.