World\'s Largest Fully Automated Poker Room
 

as per the subject. Depressing thought myself if this starts a trend


http://www.pokernews.com/news/2007/0...room-opens.htm

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Will this place be 'the only game in town' or is there a traditional poker alternative? My point: They may be successful if there's no competition. Otherwise I've yet to come across more than a handful of players who would prefer the e-tables.

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It's the only game in town. They can market it however they want, but I agree w/ Andy. Most people would rather play at a normal table.

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It's the only game in town. They can market it however they want, but I agree w/ Andy. Most people would rather play at a normal table.

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It's only 10 minutes from Blue Chip and 30 minutes from Majestic Star and Resorts

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I Think Pokerstars is bigger

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A local card room I frequent is completely automated with these tables and I have to say its not bad. You see more hands and no dealer mistakes. The only complaint I have with them is that you have to use something hard to have the screen register a touch, but you get used to it.

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you have to use something hard to have the screen register a touch, but you get used to it.

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Is this why players resist e-tables, homophobia?

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you have to use something hard to have the screen register a touch, but you get used to it.

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Is this why players resist e-tables, homophobia?

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In six short posts there's an overload of phunny chit.

And to hell with this place. These tables suck. Who is driving to get to the casino and sit down and play like this?

We played on one of these waiting to get in to watch the FT of the Borgata Open last year and it was fun for approximately two hands. If I'm sitting at a table I want real cards and real chips...if you think you can get a monkey or machine to replace a paid employee (I suggest starting at the top and working your way down).

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Is the rake lower on these things or does the casino claim that the high capital or leasing costs requires them to keep the same rake?

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I played on a fully automated table at winstar and thought it was great. Reduced rake, more hands per hour, no mistakes, and didn't have to tip the dealer.

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Yeah, but they're not fully automated. They still need Lee Jones to operate the doomswitch.

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"but the Four Winds is the first casino to go totally automated, a prospect that has manufacturer PokerTek licking their chops."


This is not true.
The Southland dog-track in West Memphis, Arkansas has a poker-room that only uses these tables (because only electronic gaming is allowed...no physical cards or chips are allowed in Arkansas).

So unless the FourWinds did this several months ago I don't think they are the first.

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Here's a link to the rather unspectacular but slick looking Memphissport magazine.

http://www.memphissport.net/images/m...NE6/index.html

On page 12-14 is an article about the poker-room at Southland.
The article says that the automated Southland poker-room has been open since April and has 8 tables.

I think there's an ad for the room on page 11 but I'm not getting that page to load for some reason.

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Yeah, but they're not fully automated. They still need Lee Jones to operate the doomswitch.

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Lee Jones quit, I guess their doomswitch doesnt work anymore?

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Oh yeah. I thought he'd left, but then I couldn't recall. I'm so out of it these days.

Doomswitch must not work, then. It required someone with the "nice guy" persona of Lee as a smokescreen, and how many of people like that are there in poker?

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Rake is $3 at 4 Winds vs. $5 at most competitors with a $1 bad beat and no dealer tokes.

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Yeah, but they're not fully automated. They still need Lee Jones to operate the doomswitch.

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Lee Jones quit, I guess their doomswitch doesnt work anymore?

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Negreanu works it now.

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i couldn't dislike this any more

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I was skeptical, and dissapointed when I heard 4W was putting in an all electronic room. I've been converted. Hell, I wish they'd let me 2 table!

I love paying the low rake with no dealer errors or delays for management bullcrap. Around here they charge $6 every 1/2 hour for $1/2nl with a max $200 buy in. And take their sweet ass time with everything. $8 for 2/5. I hate paying time.

I love the no time charge and low rake. Love it.

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Serious question: how do they protect these games against collusion/cheating, when there's nobody there to observe the players' conduct during the hands?


q/q

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What, there's no wifi?

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Matt Maroon had a good article about these tables, and how efficient they were: pokerpro

"My verdict, however, is that poker dealers shouldn't be too worried about their jobs. And poker players considering playing at one of them should save themselves some pain and instead just jab a rusty fork in their eye."

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Matt Maroon had a good article about these tables, and how efficient they were: pokerpro

"My verdict, however, is that poker dealers shouldn't be too worried about their jobs. And poker players considering playing at one of them should save themselves some pain and instead just jab a rusty fork in their eye."

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From his description, he must have been playing on a far different version then the ones at 4 Winds, which is my only experience with them. For instance, the hole cards are in the center bottom of your screen and I find their size a lot easier to read than bridge size ones used by many casinos. And they are exposed by "cupping" them, not
touching any button.

None but the most ham fisted had the touch screen difficulties, and usually after a gentle reminder they weren't hitting return on their old Remington, the problem resolved. 4W is fortunate to have an extremely attentive staff (for now) which keeps a close eye on new players to walk them through such problems, as well. I suspect other pokerpro table set ups have not had the attention paid them that has occured here, with the on site poker tek representative available.

Each player has a lighted bar across the front of his monitor to indicate when the action is on him for other players to see, as well as a highlighted player name on the individual players screen, not an arrow. Still, there have been lags while deciding whether a person was thinking or sleeping. The version used here allows 60 seconds to act, not 30, so the delay could potentialy be even longer. This does require some interaction on occasion from the other players, which I can see being a pain in the ass if it occured frequently. So far it hasn't been a big problem, but I suspect it's because the tables are new and still fairly novel. Give it a few weeks and I'll probably be falling asleep and missing my turn, too. We'll see. I do wish they would add a little bell sound, though, when it was a players turn to act. There was an old gentleman at my table Sunday night who brought the game to a standstill with a combination of touch screen difficulties and missing his turn to act. It was excrutiating.

I should add I'm actually quite impressed with the responsivness of these touch screens. As mentioned, it is actually easier to tap your selections with the corner of your player card. A guy I was playing with early Thursday who stayed at a Holiday Inn Express explained anything covering the screen will affect the reponse of the touch screen. Many players, myself included, were covering some portion of the screen with their forearm when acting, which caused problems, especially with the "back" button. Once he explained that and I was a little more careful to touch the screen without covering a big portion of it, it worked swimmingly.

I still have reservations, although not nearly as many since actually using them. I, too, would much prefer a live dealer, if they didn't cost so much and make mistakes.

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Serious question: how do they protect these games against collusion/cheating, when there's nobody there to observe the players' conduct during the hands?

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A good question, and one I'm waiting to see what the answer is, as well. What happens with a live dealer? In reality, not in perfect fantasy poker world.

However, whether playing live or on these e-tables, I think it's in a players best interest to watch out for these things himself. I'm sure not counting on the dealer to do it. Especially if it's regulars that he sees every day.

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Im really not a fan of these tables. I have played some 1/2 and a few sessions of 2/5 with a bunch of blue chip and trump[ regulars and the consensus I got was that they would like to at least have the option to play on live dealer tables. i am hoping they go down hill and return ti dealers, i would also like to see the Mtt structures straightened out. that being said for "fun" poker there not bad.

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Computer-Etables are here to stay, like it or not. It will a gradual process, but the end is in sight for "live" poker dealers. Players don't run the joints. Corporate decisions are made by executive officers and stock holders.

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as per the subject. Depressing thought myself if this starts a trend


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Players don't run the joints. Corporate decisions are made by executive officers and stock holders.

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Interestingly, though, if all the players decide that they can stay home and play computer poker without driving to the cardroom, it doesn't much matter what Corporate decided. So I guess the customers are in charge after all! Just like in every other business, large and small, throughout the universe.

Imagine that!

That said, I think the e-tables have a very real but limited application: for load balancing at times when it's difficult to tell whether the house needs more dealers or not. Now you can schedule to your average load, and if demand exceeds expectations, instead of a lot of disgruntled players standing around, you can have them go play online poker until a real table opens up.

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bump anyone played any mtts there yet?

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I just got back from overplaying AQ on an A56 flop to donk off most of my chips in the $50 NL 2 pm. Chip leader to railbird in 2 hands. Man, I suck.

19 entrants. 3k in starting chips, 15 minute blinds, I think we started at 25/50, then 50/100, 75/150, 100/200, etc.

I confirmed with a floor person working today that they do, in fact, allow someone to go back to their original buy in if he wishes at a cash table if they move the player. I voiced my objection to this plainly, and plan on doing so every time I go.

I don't believe this is normal practice, but I've been moved so rarely I don't really recall what happened with my stack the few times I've been moved. I'm sure I didn't pocket any of it, though. Am I wrong here? Is there a standard amongst poker rooms?

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I played on a fully automated table at winstar and thought it was great. Reduced rake, more hands per hour, no mistakes, and didn't have to tip the dealer.

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No toke = less effective rake

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No toke = less effective rake

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Please to explain?

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I called PokerTek a few months ago to get on information packet, with an eye toward opening up a small card room in my area. Totally got the brush-off. Oh well.

I did, however, find out that the tables can only deal hold'em & Omaha. No 7-stud varient games at all. And I'm not entirely sure they could handle Omaha/8.

That's kind of a drag, since most of the old timers in my area still play 7-stud.

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Not to steal phydaux's thunder, I interpret that effectively less rake, not that the rake taken is ineffective.

If you're a computer or math geek, less (effective rake), not (less effective) rake.

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A guy I was playing with early Thursday who stayed at a Holiday Inn Express explained anything covering the screen will affect the reponse of the touch screen.

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Lol!

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Thanks. I have a few other nits that need picked, if you still have time...

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Sorry, I have no desire to be Grammar Police. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I was just trying to help Sly Selea. I think he probably interpreted that as the rake being less effective.

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Sorry, I have no desire to be Grammar Police. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I was just trying to help Sly Selea. I think he probably interpreted that as the rake being less effective.

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Casino Operator: "Damn! I keep raking the pots, but the donks are still leaving the casino floor with money. There must be a way to rake the pots more effectively...."

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Thank you, fellahs. Both explanations clarified things immensly, and yeah, that makes sense.

Guy working floor today said they were receiving the "new upgrade" that would allow them to deal mixed games, as well as horse, if desired. Beginning of September, he said.

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No kidding? Stud & Razz? And HORSE?

Maverick calls the Ball - The Poker Dealer is now an endangered species.

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Guy working floor today said they were receiving the "new upgrade" that would allow them to deal mixed games, as well as horse, if desired. Beginning of September, he said.

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I sure hope that happens.