Five Card Draw: Have You Ever Seen?
 

Okay, we are all familiar with the four straight/four flush semi-bluff and we know that players over do it. They employ from under the gun even. However, I just wanted to know how many players, if any have you met, who are willing to three-bet it and then bet out postdraw?

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plenty including me

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

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7

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al,

sorry ive been reading too much BBV, where flip responses are de rigeur.

so. did you recently play a hand where UTG 3-bet you on the come, and you made a incorrect fold? i'd love to dicuss the hand. pls post it.

edit: and you must mean 4-bet. this is weird then. if you are 3betting them, then you ought to be showing down most/all of the time. so what is the issue here? yes there are retards at every level. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] draw

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if it wins the pot it wins the pot

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I have to agree with Murakawa. IMO, if you're going to semi-bluff representing that you have a 4-card hand (range 2 pair to quads), against some opponents it might be right to put in a raise, and maybe a re-raise to disguise your hand. This would be my line if they're the type of player to play agressively predraw, and just give up after the draw if their hand doesn't improve. Admittedly, this is a rare breed, but just throwing that out there.

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Shhhh! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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They employ from under the gun even.

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Is this a mistake when UTG raises are put on a pair of kings or better?

There is some pretty heavy Gap Theory going on in these games right now.

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Okay, we are all familiar with the four straight/four flush semi-bluff and we know that players over do it. They employ from under the gun even. However, I just wanted to know how many players, if any have you met, who are willing to three-bet it and then bet out postdraw?

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Very much so, watch my 30/60 heads up matches on Stars sometime. I would say 75%+ of the opponents I play do it. It's even more common in pot limit usually for meta reasons.

PS Lee Jones said he would add 50/100 and 100/200 draw.

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Shhhh! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Seriously.

Let's pretend none of us ever played draw and we're all closeted stud8 players. Then, we take the money.

Why oh why can't there be as many draw games as hold 'em?

Well I know why I just want there to be.

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Murakawa, I think a lot of good things comes from that the people who play draw aren't as many as plays hold'em.
First, you get to know the same people better personally, and you have a lot more fun discussions at the table.
Secondly, you get to know the same players playing style better to, and there is actually a chanse to play the same guy who plays bad a few days in a row. Both with notes and in your head. It is much more easy to keep track of say 20-30 players in you head then there is with the masses that is playing hold'em.
Of course, I play lower stakes, so there are more players playing there.
And for those who want it to get bigger (I want that to, but there are some good things that comes from a small circuit) get ONE draw event into the WSOP, and I think the game would grow!

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Murakawa, I think a lot of good things comes from that the people who play draw aren't as many as plays hold'em.
First, you get to know the same people better personally, and you have a lot more fun discussions at the table.
Secondly, you get to know the same players playing style better to, and there is actually a chanse to play the same guy who plays bad a few days in a row. Both with notes and in your head. It is much more easy to keep track of say 20-30 players in you head then there is with the masses that is playing hold'em.
Of course, I play lower stakes, so there are more players playing there.
And for those who want it to get bigger (I want that to, but there are some good things that comes from a small circuit) get ONE draw event into the WSOP, and I think the game would grow!

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Screw all that, we need more fish! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Murakawa, I think a lot of good things comes from that the people who play draw aren't as many as plays hold'em.
First, you get to know the same people better personally, and you have a lot more fun discussions at the table.
Secondly, you get to know the same players playing style better to, and there is actually a chanse to play the same guy who plays bad a few days in a row. Both with notes and in your head. It is much more easy to keep track of say 20-30 players in you head then there is with the masses that is playing hold'em.
Of course, I play lower stakes, so there are more players playing there.
And for those who want it to get bigger (I want that to, but there are some good things that comes from a small circuit) get ONE draw event into the WSOP, and I think the game would grow!

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There was a draw event in the WSOP in the early days but the phenomenal rise of hold'em eclipsed it.

I agree that you can study players more if the pool of players is small and I play at Paradise with its small pool of players but on the flipside there needs to be more fish.

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il do it sometimes depends n the table dynamics but mostly in pl draw

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Okay, we are all familiar with the four straight/four flush semi-bluff and we know that players over do it. They employ from under the gun even. However, I just wanted to know how many players, if any have you met, who are willing to three-bet it and then bet out postdraw?

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Today, I came across a degenerate bluffer who 4bet whilst playing heads up with a draw, I checkcalled with my pair postdraw and won or did I improve on the draw? Who knows? Not seen it four bet until today.

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World Cup of Online Poker 100K guaranteed draw tournament in September... who wants to stake me?

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World Cup of Online Poker 100K guaranteed draw tournament in September... who wants to stake me?

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I'd buy a chunk at par.

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I'll tell you what. If I don't get to the final table but cash, I'll pay you the buy in from my winnings. If I do make it, we'll call it 50/50!

I wonder what first place in that tourney will pay... I just hope I win it.

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stake you???? its only 215 us buy in 1 place will be at least 25k not many draw players
hope to see you there at my table

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lol