Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

Anyone else get this?

I actually cashed out from PartyPoker more than a year ago (long before the FristFrucking incident) and left just a fraction of a dollar from my account which they are now swiping.

Notice that it impossible to avoid this charge.

Could be a concern for US players with more money left in their balances.

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Dear XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX,
Our records show that that you have not logged in to your account for 180 days.

A $$.xy administration fee* has been charged to your inactive account. The next
charge will be deducted from you account balance on: 02-Feb-2007.

However, this fee will NOT be charged if your account, or any related account, is
reactivated on or before 01-Feb-2007.

Reactivating your account is easy: Just log in and place a cash wager, enter a
tournament with a cash entry fee, or play a raked hand.
*TERMS & CONDITIONS If you do not access your Account by "logging on" to your
Account using your Account name and password for any period of 180 days, then after
those 180 days (the "180 day grace period") your Account (and any related account
with any ESP) will be deemed "Inactive". If your Account becomes Inactive, then
the Company is entitled to charge you an administrative fee (the "Inactive Account
Fee"). The Inactive Account Fee shall be deducted from your Account Balance at the
end of each calendar month in accordance with the Inactive Account Fee Schedule.
We will stop deducting the Inactive Account Fee from your Account Balance if your
Account is re-activated.
If you have any questions or concerns, please don’t hesitate to contact us. Our
Customer Care team is available 24/7.
Sincerely,
Party Team
info@partyaccount.com

PartyPoker
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Note: Please do not disclose your password to any individual/organization claiming
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to us immediately. Our Customer Care team is available 24/7 to assist you via email.



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Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

this is standard and in their terms of use.

this is not an issue of targetting US players, but has always been their policy.


do you expect them to hold your 35cents forever?

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

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this is standard and in their terms of use.

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It was obvious from my post that I cashed out from PartyPoker more than a year ago and have not played there since. So obviously it makes no sense to be getting this email now. So what is the explanation then?


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this is not an issue of targetting US players, but has always been their policy.

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It was obvious from my post that this particularly affects US-based players <font color="red">"Reactivating your account is easy: Just log in and place a cash wager, enter a
tournament with a cash entry fee, or play a raked hand."</font>



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do you expect them to hold your 35cents forever?

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It was obvious from my post that this is not the issue.

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do you expect them to hold your 35cents forever?

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actually, since that's the way every other financial institution does it, and it costs them 0.00 to do so, I kinda do?

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do you expect them to hold your 35cents forever?

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actually, since that's the way every other financial institution does it, and it costs them 0.00 to do so, I kinda do?

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My bank and at least one other major Canadian bank have this policy. I'm sure all of them do, though I haven't checked.

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

Thylacine: the explanation is easy: PartyPoker have had a long standing policy of charging an administration fee if there is no activity on an account for 12 (or 18 months - i forget which). This is contained in their terms and conditions which are freely available on joining and on their website.

The fact that you cashed out (and stopped playing there) well before any ban on US players proves that this is unconnected to any ban on US players.

If you still have money in your PP account, you should ask them to give it to you. It is your money.

I do not believe it is unreasonable for PP to close dormant accounts.


Adanthar: It is standard practice in the australian banking industry to close dormant accounts after a certain period of time. I imagine that it is standard practice in most industries to close dromant accounts after a certain period of time, although i have no experience with foreign banking systems. I obviously don't know what happens in the US financial industry, although I would be surprised if they were to maintain a dormant account indefinitely.

I also think that you are incorrect in suggesting that there are no costs to PP in maintaining dormant accounts.

Regardless, Party Poker has had a clear, long-standing policy on this matter: if you don't use their services for a significant period of time, they will eventually close your account.

Given that they have given notice by email of this, I don't understand how anyone can be aggreived. It's not as if they're hiding it.


Party deserve a lot of criticism for being crap on many issues - but this is not one of them.

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

aujoz, are you saying it is reasonable (and prudent, etc.) for PartyPoker to permanently delete the millions of US-based accounts by about April this year, regardless of all possible future contingencies?

Because that is the obvious consequence of what we are talking about here.

BTW the practice of Australian banks blatantly stealing their customers' money, is NOT a standard practice in other countries.

Find a lawyer and file a class action lawsuit, you have a winner.
 

This is not business as usual, since they will not allow a player from the US to log on and get his money out.

Find a good class action law firm to file the suit, Party will be loathe to defend it. They would settle.

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

Yes, it is one of them. They have NOT accomodated US players who are now locked out.

They are looking to collect the money while not allowing a US player to cashout.

This looks pretty good for the right Plaintiff. Discovery alone would be interesting:

"Please provide a list of all potential class members, including their contact information and all email addresses used to send out the subject email notices"

Think they would pay up what they owe the players or turn over their US player database ?

Re: What Is Your Time Worth
 

Is your time worth so little that it pays to complain about this

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Is your time worth so little that it pays to complain about this

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There must be at least several million dollars involved, and there may be some individual players who stand to lose thousands.

The effect on me personally is trivial, but I care about other people.

Re: What Is Your Time Worth
 

I'm pretty sure they reduced their withdrawal limits shortly after the ban so US players could cash out small balances. If you didn't care enough then why does anyone care now?

Re: What Is Your Time Worth
 

why do you still have money there? its been more than three months.

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why do you still have money there? its been more than three months.

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I withdrew what I could. I'm not concerned about the remaining breadcrumbs myself. But obviously there are some big issues here.

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

They can have my $7 bucks. I think of it as a tip for a cheap whore. Getting kicked out of Party was the best thing that ever happened to my bankroll. Incompetent fools!

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do you expect them to hold your 35cents forever?

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actually, since that's the way every other financial institution does it, and it costs them 0.00 to do so, I kinda do?

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i don't think party poker qualifies as a financial insitution. And no one is getting lots of money stolen. Everyone gets the email, everyone was given the chance to read TnC's and the cashout limit was dropped pretty low.

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do you expect them to hold your 35cents forever?

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actually, since that's the way every other financial institution does it, and it costs them 0.00 to do so, I kinda do?

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i don't think party poker qualifies as a financial insitution. And no one is getting lots of money stolen. Everyone gets the email, everyone was given the chance to read TnC's and the cashout limit was dropped pretty low.

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How low?

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.000001 cent

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I don't believe you. Link please.

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

i really want to say it was under 10 dollars but i cashed out over that so I am not certain. Someone with a party account must know what it's at now though. speak up you jerk offs

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

wow, a buck minimum through IGM

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

I was able to cash my change out of Party, it was less than a dollar.

To those who want to say US banks don't do this: WRONG. SOP for most banks is to reclaim the money after 7 years inactivity.

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

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BTW the practice of Australian banks blatantly stealing their customers' money, is NOT a standard practice in other countries.

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All banks do the same, they do the same in Canada. I lost party points because I didn`t log in and play, no big deal.
They are the second largest poker site on the net.

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

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I'm not concerned about the remaining breadcrumbs myself. But obviously there are some big issues here.

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This cracks me up.

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I'm not concerned about the remaining breadcrumbs myself. But obviously there are some big issues here.

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This cracks me up.

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Okay how about this then:

"I went to the zoo today and I saw a big elephant and a little squirrel."

Can you cope with that, or does the concept make your head explode?

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

I am sooo tempted to just be abusive in this thread. However, I'll try to give the benefit of the doubt.

1) If you have a lot of money on PP, you should withdraw it. Thus, you will not have any fees charged.

2) If you do not have a lot of money on PP, you should withdraw it. Thus, you will not have any fees charged.

3) If you choose not to withdraw your money, PP has no responsibility to maintain your account indefinitely.


I do not understand why anyone has a problem with this.


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1) It appears that it is a relatively common practice for many financial institutions globally to close accounts after a given period of time.

2) It is sound business practice for non-financial institutions to close dormant accounts after a given period of time. I have served as a Director on a number of different boards (with turnover from $300k/year up to $1billion/year) and (because sometimes debts were unpaid) it is common practice to write off such debts. On at least one occasion I can recall where one organisation wrote off credits (they were under $25) for a group of customers who we could no longer contact.


I tried to think of a witty comment about someone named after an extinct animal fighting for the rights of dormant account holders, but couldn't think of anything here.


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There must be at least several million dollars involved, and there may be some individual players who stand to lose thousands.

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I have seen no evidence to support the statement that there is "at least several million dollars involved." Nor is there any prohibition on US based players cashing out that I am aware of.

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They have NOT accomodated US players who are now locked out.

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Is there any US based player who is unable to cash out?

Can you prove that such a person exists?

Have you been unable to cash out?

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This looks pretty good for the right Plaintiff. Discovery alone would be interesting:

"Please provide a list of all potential class members, including their contact information and all email addresses used to send out the subject email notices"

Think they would pay up what they owe the players or turn over their US player database ?

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The concept of using US courts to litigate (as this process implies) against a business with no assets in the US is about as moronic as the rest of the stubborn idiocy in this thread.

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

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I am sooo tempted to just be abusive in this thread. However, I'll try to give the benefit of the doubt.

1) If you have a lot of money on PP, you should withdraw it. Thus, you will not have any fees charged.

2) If you do not have a lot of money on PP, you should withdraw it. Thus, you will not have any fees charged.

3) If you choose not to withdraw your money, PP has no responsibility to maintain your account indefinitely.


I do not understand why anyone has a problem with this.


In addition:
1) It appears that it is a relatively common practice for many financial institutions globally to close accounts after a given period of time.

2) It is sound business practice for non-financial institutions to close dormant accounts after a given period of time. I have served as a Director on a number of different boards (with turnover from $300k/year up to $1billion/year) and (because sometimes debts were unpaid) it is common practice to write off such debts. On at least one occasion I can recall where one organisation wrote off credits (they were under $25) for a group of customers who we could no longer contact.


I tried to think of a witty comment about someone named after an extinct animal fighting for the rights of dormant account holders, but couldn't think of anything here.


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There must be at least several million dollars involved, and there may be some individual players who stand to lose thousands.

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I have seen no evidence to support the statement that there is "at least several million dollars involved." Nor is there any prohibition on US based players cashing out that I am aware of.

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They have NOT accomodated US players who are now locked out.

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Is there any US based player who is unable to cash out?

Can you prove that such a person exists?

Have you been unable to cash out?

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This looks pretty good for the right Plaintiff. Discovery alone would be interesting:

"Please provide a list of all potential class members, including their contact information and all email addresses used to send out the subject email notices"

Think they would pay up what they owe the players or turn over their US player database ?

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The concept of using US courts to litigate (as this process implies) against a business with no assets in the US is about as moronic as the rest of the stubborn idiocy in this thread.

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Everything you are saying is completely irrelevant. You are bizarre, narcissistic and sociopathic and you have an astonishingly low level of intelligence.

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

The procedure is standard, but the fact they sent it to US players using the exact content they use to use before the ban shows what complete and udder morons they are over at Party.

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

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The procedure is standard, but the fact they sent it to US players using the exact content they use to use before the ban shows what complete and udder morons they are over at Party.

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Thankyou. I think you are the first person to get one of the main points in my OP. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Email: PartyPoker milking remaining US players balances.
 

Given that PP's use of standard wording wasn't even mentioned in the OP, I don't understand how it could have been one of the main points in it.

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Anyone else get this?

I actually cashed out from PartyPoker more than a year ago (long before the FristFrucking incident) and left just a fraction of a dollar from my account which they are now swiping.

Notice that it impossible to avoid this charge.

Could be a concern for US players with more money left in their balances.


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It is clearly not impossible to avoid this charge.

To avoid this charge, simply withdraw your money. If you do not, they will take your remaining 35 cents and close your account. If that's the worst thing that happens to you this week, you're having a pretty damn good week.

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Given that PP's use of standard wording wasn't even mentioned in the OP, I don't understand how it could have been one of the main points in it.

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Anyone else get this?

I actually cashed out from PartyPoker more than a year ago (long before the FristFrucking incident) and left just a fraction of a dollar from my account which they are now swiping.

Notice that it impossible to avoid this charge.

Could be a concern for US players with more money left in their balances.


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It is clearly not impossible to avoid this charge.

To avoid this charge, simply withdraw your money. If you do not, they will take your remaining 35 cents and close your account. If that's the worst thing that happens to you this week, you're having a pretty damn good week.

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OMG you are so incredibly dumb. You are the dumbest person I have ever encountered on this site, and that's saying something. You lack the ability to comprehend even the simplest situation. You are also a ridiculous troll. Goodbye.