$16: What the F is this?
 

Who bets the flop? What do you make of this turn shove?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1440)
UTG+1 (t1370)
MP1 (t1470)
MP2 (t1990)
MP3 (t1180)
CO (t1815)
Button (t1325)
SB (t1460)
Hero (t1450)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, MP3 calls t30, CO calls t30, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, Hero checks

Flop: (t105) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks

Turn: (t105) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t85</font>, <font color="red">MP3 raises to t1150 (All-in)</font>

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

I'm checking the flop too. On turn, no way I can call even tho his line is just so messed.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

Its impossible to narrow a donks range without a reads, and I check this flop, probably, unless I'm paying attention, which I'm usually not.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

I'd bet the flop, as I think a lot of worse hands call.

As played, I'd fold.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

Its probably a 3.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

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Its probably a 3.

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sicko

T3 sooted hearts to be exact.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

And why are we checking the flop? Anyway, as played its a fold.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

i check the flop, i c/c a smallish bet on the turn, reevalute river.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

T3 sooted hearts is da nutz, obv.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

I bet this flop more often than I check it.

Turn obv fold.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

I'd bet the flop for 90 or so and go into check-call small bet mode if called unless we turn a non-[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J or Q

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

I bet flop 90 , sure thing, check fold after turn though.

I wonder how do you what he had - did you call?;)

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

so i am really new at this, poker and posting. Can someone explain to me why alot of you would check the flop. What would have to come on the flop for you to bet it?

Thanks

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

OOP early in a SnG top pair and not top kicker isn't very good.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

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OOP early in a SnG top pair and not top kicker isn't very good.

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^^ what he said.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

I like betting the flop but checking is not bad. Betting turn is good.
As played insta-muck please.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

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I like betting the flop but checking is not bad. Betting turn is good.
As played insta-muck please.

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Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

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Its probably a 3.

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sicko

T3 sooted hearts to be exact.

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Tell me it wasn't you that called to find out.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

curiosity killed the cat, what am i gonna do without all those monies [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

it really sucks but you should just fold. flop check is fine IMO.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

I'd have bet the flop if i was in position. Then i could check the turn and see a free river and call any non-diamond. However, OOP, i'm checking this flop.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

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curiosity killed the cat, what am i gonna do without all those monies [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Well, the good news is that your curiosity probably caused that donk to continue to love poker...
... so my bank account thanks you.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

Check down top pair? Don't get that one at all.
I am bettin the flop

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

I bet the flop for both protection and value for like 80.
I understand that ppl check it to control the pot, but I think betting is more favorable here, since the pot will still be under control and we might be able to take it down a whole lot.
Turn is a pretty easy fold, since villain has T3 and you're drawing thin. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

You played it fine until you called. Nothing wrong with checking flop &amp; leading turn OOP. Leading the flop bloats the pot and forces us to check the turn when called.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

Flop check is fine, but check flop and check turn sucks. The problem with betting the flop is you need to bet a lot of turns and than half your stack is in the pot and you are stuck in a lot of crappy spots. If you are going to bet flop check turn you might as well check the flop and try to get a bluff out of one of the limpers.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

I really think top pair should be lead in unraised pots unless there's more than 5 players total or you have no kicker or further potential at all. Really wanna check-call unable to control pot size etc ? Then they often fire any turn big and you have to fold.. Lead flop, check turn if called for me and possibly value bet river if nothing happens. Complete shutdown if more than one caller on flop.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

how does betting yield superior pot control over checking the flop? just because you get to control the bet size doesn't mean the pot is controlled.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

It means that if we lead, we fold to a raise and check-fold to a big bet on the turn instead of checking and being faced with a potsize bet or bigger from possibly an inferior hand.

Re: $16: What the F is this?
 

He must have you beat