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I don't know if this has been done before, but the recent threads have got me wondering what the breakdown is like around here. I've got some suspicions about poster/lurker tendencies, let's see if they turn out. Apologies if none of the options fit you perfectly. If you are Fascist, you don't get a vote.

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What's a "traditional anarchist?"

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What's the difference between "anarcho-capitalist" and "traditional anarchist"?

fwiw, i think i'm both.

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Sorry if the wording is off. I didn't want to include every kind of anarchist, and from my very limited knowledge, I thought "traditional anarchist" (saw this somewhere on the net) generally meant being anti-capitalism/private property, like anarcho-communists.

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Isn't a social liberal, economic conservative a libertarian?

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Sorry if the wording is off. I didn't want to include every kind of anarchist, and from my very limited knowledge, I thought "traditional anarchist" (saw this somewhere on the net) generally meant being anti-capitalism/private property, like anarcho-communists.

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Fair enough.

I think that this is a fair description of some traditional anarchists, though many oppose the exploitation inherent in (state) capitalism while still believing that one can own private property.

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Isn't a social liberal, economic conservative a libertarian?

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There's no social moderate, economic conservative option, so I suspect that category will pick up those types. That's how i voted at least.

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Isn't a social liberal, economic conservative a libertarian?

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Sort of, social liberal/economic conservative would be for the more moderate statists. Those who don't necessary want government reduced to the level of your typical libertarian. Or maybe you support gun control while also being pro-drug/pro-choice/etc. Or you don't support big welfare initiatives but you are still pro-anti-trust laws, etc. It's all in your self labeling.

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I am socially liberal and have some conservative economic tendencies. I don't feel like I am a libertarian per say. So I just went with that option.

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What's the difference between "anarcho-capitalist" and "traditional anarchist"?

fwiw, i think i'm both.

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A traditional Anarchist does not define the entire world in terms of possessions.

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I accidently hit lurker instead of poster.

Also, I couldn't decide whether I'm an economic conservative or liberal. The last test I took I came down very conservative, but when I post here I seem to be among the most liberal. But that may have something to do with the fact that, all in all, I find government intervention per se to be a minor issue in most cases, and largely just an advanageous(to the one using it) way to frame every issue that actually makes things murkier.

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Yeah, this is a difficult place to judge your ideology, a lot of anarchists/libertarians. I'd rely more on the test, unless you want national health care, are strongly pro-union, anti-free trade, and it told you that you are conservative.

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I lived in DC for 18 years........I am cynical to the extreme.
I just find a way to get and do what I want........ the gubmint in any form is a bad joke [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Yeah, this is a difficult place to judge your ideology, a lot of anarchists/libertarians. I'd rely more on the test, unless you want national health care, are strongly pro-union, anti-free trade, and it told you that you are conservative.

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I just find most of the issues to be so blury. I'm for national health care, but mostly for practical reasons. I'm pro union, because I think that workers treated individually will just get crushed. But I think SEIU and the other big ones that operate in the USA are awful (largely because the leadership doesn't seem to get working class issues). And I'm not Anti-Free trade, I just think that "free-trade" is just a euphemism...as in, it's not free trade, it's free trade for some things...and if one has to choose which things are going to be traded freely and which ones aren't then you can't rely on any appeals to economics unless it is purely utilitarian and unbiased, like opening up professional occupations to free trade because that's where the most money will be saved.

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I'm the only anarchist who isn't a capitalist. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Right, there's no mathematical equation. From what you've said so far, I'd say you lean liberal. But someone else could read those words and just say you are moderate. I dunno.

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What's a "traditional anarchist?"

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A Hobbesian anarchist.

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I'm the only anarchist who isn't a capitalist. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I thought you just said you were a minarchist [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I'm the only anarchist who isn't a capitalist. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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You can socialize with the socialist [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I'm the only anarchist who isn't a capitalist. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I thought you just said you were a minarchist [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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You're right. But I'm much more of an anarchist than a statist. So of the options, I'd choose that. And in general, when people say "socialism/communism" they tend to mean government controlled socialism/communism (USSR style), which I'm not at all like either, otherwise I'd put that.

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What's the difference between "anarcho-capitalist" and "traditional anarchist"?

fwiw, i think i'm both.

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A traditional Anarchist does not define the entire world in terms of possessions.

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Nor does an ACer.

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Im a Socialist Democrat, but i picked the first option before seeing the bottom like an ididot. I suppose they are the same really?

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I'm the only anarchist who isn't a capitalist. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I thought you just said you were a minarchist [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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You're right. But I'm much more of an anarchist than a statist. So of the options, I'd choose that.

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The chasm between anarchy and minarchy is much, much wider than the gap between minarchy and statism.

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The chasm between anarchy and minarchy is much, much wider than the gap between minarchy and statism.

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This is true in theory, but I'd have to type up a long document explaining my world view, and you'd see how my end picture is far more like anarchy.

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What's the difference between "anarcho-capitalist" and "traditional anarchist"?

fwiw, i think i'm both.

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A traditional Anarchist does not define the entire world in terms of possessions.

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Nor does an ACer.

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ACists only have their possession. It's a fundamental tenet of capitalism, and from that premise ACists build their world.

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What's the difference between "anarcho-capitalist" and "traditional anarchist"?

fwiw, i think i'm both.

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A traditional Anarchist does not define the entire world in terms of possessions.

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Nor does an ACer.

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ACists only have their possession. It's a fundamental tenet of capitalism, and from that premise ACists build their world.

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English plz. What does 'only have their posession' mean? And no, AC is constructed through negative rights, so there are no tenets. If you're talking about epistimology, then those aren't tenets either.

A simple example, that you could have come up with yourself, is that an ACer does not claim that anyone owns the earth's core, or some area of water or land that's not turned into valuable use.

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Isn't a social liberal, economic conservative a libertarian?

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Libertarians are this to some extent, but not all people who are this are libertarians, as libertarians have opinions on things that don't fit conveniently on the "social liberal, fiscal conservative" scale. Victimless crimes would be the best example.

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The chasm between anarchy and minarchy is much, much wider than the gap between minarchy and statism.

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I don't really agree with this at all.

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socially i'm probably closest to being libertarian, though i would be for some limited social intervention, even for "victimless crimes" for the sake of social order (drunk driving would still be illegal, though i'd want the law changed significantly, some harder drugs might still be illegal, but not much more than that). also, i am strongly against abortion, but because i think the fetus's interest is more worthy of protection than the mother's unless her life is in jeopardy. i definitely wouldn't say i am socially liberal.

economically, i guess i am a big old liberal, though i think fiscal conservatism is important.

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"economically, i guess i am a big old liberal, though i think fiscal conservatism is important. "

What does that mean, welfare state, redistribution, etc is great just don't run deficits?

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"economically, i guess i am a big old liberal, though i think fiscal conservatism is important. "

What does that mean, welfare state, redistribution, etc is great just don't run deficits?

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yep. eh, well, basically. reasonable deficits are ok.

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"economically, i guess i am a big old liberal, though i think fiscal conservatism is important. "

What does that mean, welfare state, redistribution, etc is great just don't run deficits?

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yep. eh, well, basically. reasonable deficits are ok.

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Please don't call yourself a libertarian.

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"economically, i guess i am a big old liberal, though i think fiscal conservatism is important. "

What does that mean, welfare state, redistribution, etc is great just don't run deficits?

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yep. eh, well, basically. reasonable deficits are ok.

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Please don't call yourself a libertarian.

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lol. i didn't.

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No posters who are social conservatives as well as fiscal conservatives. I guess the mormons aren't big fans of poker?

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English plz. What does 'only have their posession' mean?

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Under AC everything is owned privately by someone and made into a commodity. Everything is private property, and everyone is concerned with owning it or paying for its use. Ergo, all ACist have is their possessions.

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English plz. What does 'only have their posession' mean?

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Under AC everything is owned privately by someone and made into a commodity. Everything is private property, and everyone is concerned with owning it or paying for its use. Ergo, all ACist have is their possessions.

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I'm pretty sure in AC you can still have friends, family, peace of mind, hopes, dreams, etc.

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AC out to an early poster lead, I think the social/econ liberals will take it home though. The social conservatives seem to be lurkers to far. I guess I wouldn't want to step into the hailstorm either.

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AC out to an early poster lead, I think the social/econ lliberals will take it home though. The social conservatives seem to be lurkers to far. I guess I wouldn't want to step into the hailstorm either.

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This is really a strange sample of the political world... how many people actaully know someone outside fo this forum who knows what AC is(they only count if you yourself didn't tell them)? I really thought this sort of never ending marriage to one political argument disappeared over 40 years ago...but its back, although, it seems benign this time.

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Under AC everything is owned privately by someone and made into a commodity. Everything is private property, and everyone is concerned with owning it or paying for its use. Ergo, all ACist have is their possessions.

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I don't think this is true at all. There are many who might be classified as ACists who beleive in things like public property (though of course it is truly owned by the public and not the State).

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Under AC everything is owned privately by someone and made into a commodity. Everything is private property, and everyone is concerned with owning it or paying for its use. Ergo, all ACist have is their possessions.

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I don't think this is true at all. There are many who might be classified as ACists who beleive in things like public property (though of course it is truly owned by the public and not the State).

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ACist here will say "tragedy of the commons" and dismiss all public property.