55$ QJ sorted UTG. blinds 50/100
 

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Preflop: Hero is in UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero ?

A fold is possible, All-in too, and a raise to 300 too.

What do you think ? especially about a raise to 300 ?

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fold>push>raise where a raise to t300 is terrible.

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Even thinking about playing this hand is terrible.

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Even thinking about playing this hand is terrible.

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Sorry, I think you are wrong

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Even thinking about playing this hand is terrible.

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Sorry, I think you are wrong

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Well, he's right. This goes straight into the muck pile.

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I still wait more answers ...

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They won't be different.

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even against a super tight table this is a marginal hand at best i'd instafold.

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oh yeah, and raise to 300 if you don't like chips.

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fold preflop.

Straight Flushes,

SAM

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how bad is a smooth call here

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how bad is a smooth call here

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chip spewing 101

SAM

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I'd bet my entire BR that not folding here loses you money in the long run.

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Well, I am happy to have posted this hand. I really think 2+2 thinking is really formated.

Firstly, this hand wasn't played by me. The guy is not a 2+2er and have a 23% ROI after 730 games ( he started way before, but since he is on pokerstars, I can see his stats on shakscop ). I think it will be hard to find better than him.

Well he raised to 300 and feel happy with it.
I was sure almost everybody would answer to fold ( so easy ) but I was expecting another answer.

And I think it is a case where raise > all-in > Call
The fold is somewhere ...

After all, if the guy call and fold to the flop continuation bet, it is 300 that you win instead of 100 after an all-in.

For sure, it is possible that Fold is the best move, but I

Re: 55$ QJ sorted UTG. blinds 50/100
 

Just because you're good doesn't mean you don't have leaks.

This is a major, major leak.

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Do you understand there is a chance that you could ( may be ) be wrong ?
At least I like the use of the doubt. You are all so sure of yourself that is sometimes embarassing ... sorry

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Just because this guy has a Rois of 23% on 700 sngs doesnt make this play correct, instead, it really is awful. So is anything but folding.
If you really, really feel a need to raise this hand then push it, but yet, this remains terrible.

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Firstly, this hand wasn't played by me. The guy is not a 2+2er and have a 23% ROI after 730 games. I think it will be hard to find better than him. Well he raised to 300 and feel happy with it.

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lol fold

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After all, if the guy call and fold to the flop continuation bet, it is 300 that you win instead of 100 after an all-in.

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wtf? after you raise you have 800 left and if you see a flop there's at least 600 in the pot. wtf are you gonna c-bet? 300? Are you gonna stack off on a KJ7 board? Are you gonna bet/fold a 248 flop?

Are you gonna call a pf push? you have odds against any reasonable player's range, but it'll still be a terrible call.

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Do you understand there is a chance that you could ( may be ) be wrong ?
At least I like the use of the doubt. You are all so sure of yourself that is sometimes embarassing ... sorry

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right back at you buddy, this hand is major spew. You also haven't even made a case for why playing this hand would be good, other than "OMG SUITED CONNECTORS AND THEY'RE PAINT TOO"

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the first part of your answer show a flaw in your process thinking.

The second part shows that you are a prick


My part is that I fold because I multitable and I don't feel any desire to play such spots ...

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Firstly, this hand wasn't played by me. The guy is not a 2+2er and have a 23% ROI after 730 games. I think it will be hard to find better than him. Well he raised to 300 and feel happy with it.

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lol fold

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PM from Ryendal:
"your post is ridiculous, but good luck"
My reply:
"I'm not trying to be an [censored] with my post, but it's a fold and it's not even close. What is your friend's SN?"
Reply from Ryendal:
"He is better than you, bye"
PWND!!!

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What are you guys doing with KQ in this situation

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the first part of your answer show a flaw in your process thinking.

The second part shows that you are a prick

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lol. What flaw is that? I think raising utg here is a losing play. Many seem to agree, please explain to us what we are missing?

I'm not sure how the 2nd part of what I said is prickish in any way; feel free to elaborate, or don't, whatever.

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You can make a good argument for both folding and shoving. This is one of my favorite shoving hands and I'm highly biased toward it but still folding > pushing in a typical sng. If this hand were in a vacuum then shoving would probably get the nod.

edit - QJs > KQo so fold that. Probably sack up and push KQs.

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shillx: QJs is one of my favorite shoving hands too, but I think it's pretty bad right here. You just aren't that desperate.

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I don't like your ton, that is why I really don't feel any enthusiam eplxain you something. Since it is whatever for you, we are ok.

PS: The fact that you don't see how you acted like a prick is very funny

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The fact that you obv don't see that a ton of regulars and some newbs (as me) are repeatedly stating that doing anything else than folding this hand in this specific situation is a leak and will cost you (or your friend, whatever) money in the long run.
If, however, you don't like money, this play is absolutely fine.

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Tozzy, I guess you don't see that I fold myself and my point is that I give credit to a raise. The other point is to try to think out of the box.

Moreover I know who are the regulars and who is good.

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This is a fold, the end. Pushing is certainly -EV so that's out. Raising is bad since someone is very likely to pick up a hand better than yours. If you're at the tightest table in the world blah blah yeah you can make a case whatever, but anything except folding here is a leak.

Just because it's unconvential and "thinking outside the box" does not mean it's good. You don't see this play often because it's bad.

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Then you are crediting an awful play.
I'm glad you know whos good and whos not, but i suggest you take into consideration that some hugely successful and active regulars are posting in this thread.

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Imagine a table of regulars, where everybody think that if you raise UTG you must have a GOOOOD hand because you are yourself a regular and a huge winning player. Don't you think a raise is so better than you thought at this time ?

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shillx: QJs is one of my favorite shoving hands too, but I think it's pretty bad right here. You just aren't that desperate.

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i'm with $hillx.

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Imagine a table of regulars, where everybody think that if you raise UTG you must have a GOOOOD hand because you are yourself a regular and a huge winning player. Don't you think a raise is so better than you thought at this time ?

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And then you come to 234th level thinking wich won't help anything here.
This is a $55 sng, this table is not full of huge winning regulars and you have a really easy choice.
You might want to try that play on a 2k on tilt where everyone gives you credit for just NOT pushing, but this just wont happen on this level.

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it is pretty common to have 2 or even 3 other regulars ( depending of the time when you play ) in this game at this moment of the Sngo.

So I think my argument has some value.

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and then they'll think 'oh wait why hasnt that guy pushed? he is either a donk (likely) or a huge winning player guy thinking out of boxes and stuff (unlikely)' so they'll either push, sensing your weakness (likely) or fold (crediting you for something you neither are nor have)[unlikely], and then, there are still those regular donks who think theire A5s might be some kind of a hand and happily push you.

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Imagine a table of regulars, where everybody think that if you raise UTG you must have a GOOOOD hand because you are yourself a regular and a huge winning player. Don't you think a raise is so better than you thought at this time ?

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Sure you're UTG and they know that, but it doesn't change the fact that if they pick up 99+/AJs+ they're shoving.

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Sure you're UTG and they know that, but it doesn't change the fact that if they pick up 99+/AJs+ they're shoving.

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it is about 5.5 top percent range ... hard to evaluate

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Imagine a table of regulars, where everybody think that if you raise UTG you must have a GOOOOD hand because you are yourself a regular and a huge winning player. Don't you think a raise is so better than you thought at this time ?

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just raise any two cards to 300 utg if you really believe this.

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it is not because that qj sorted is not the nut that 7 2o is the same hand.

Mmmmmm your last argument is terribly suspicious

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Imagine a table of regulars, where everybody think that if you raise UTG you must have a GOOOOD hand because you are yourself a regular and a huge winning player. Don't you think a raise is so better than you thought at this time ?

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just raise any two cards to 300 utg if you really believe this.

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Exactly. You're turning your hand into 72o since you're not going to call a reraise and no one is going to just call against an UTG raiser.