killing someone who is trying to rob you
 

some background on the question...

i am at a bar last night in nicaragua with some people from my hostel having a good time, and this brittish girl decides to kill the mood by getting political and bringing up this incident and trying to critize people from the US for our violent culture or whatever.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/...sta-rica_x.htm

she said that the guy shouldnt have acted in self defense, and that everyone should have just handed over their money. she also said there was no excuse for killing the mugger, everyone disaggreed, but it got me thinking maybe there are more people out there who think this way.



so, if you were approached by an armed gunman who demanded money, and you could kill him in self defense and escape unharmed, would you?

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EZ kill.

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So knocking him out or incapacitating him isn't an option? It's either kill him or get robbed?

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if there's a chance I or someone else might get hurt if I dont kill this guy, then Its an easy kill. But if everybody would get out with 0 chance of getting hurt, then killing is wrong.

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So knocking him out or incapacitating him isn't an option? It's either kill him or get robbed?

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yes. we were under the assumption that when you tried to just knock the person out they kill you

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if there's a chance I or someone else might get hurt if I dont kill this guy, then Its an easy kill. But if everybody would get out with 0 chance of getting hurt, then killing is wrong.

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"armed gunman" pretty much guarantees this chance exists.

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Wow, a 20 year old taken out by a 70 year old. No wonder he died, he wouldn't have been able to live that down.

As to your question, I really have no idea. I wouldn't plan to kill a mugger if that's what you mean.

As an aside, you should have organised somebody to mug the annoying English girl as she went home.

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But if everybody would get out with 0 chance of getting hurt, then killing is wrong.

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yes. just like killing is an easy choice when you are 100% sure he is going to kill you after he gets your wallet

but you dont know that

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if it's kill, be killed, or be robbed, you kill. unless somehow you only have a few bucks on you, and you somehow know that you won't be killed. i'd gladly pay $100 just to NOT kill a guy. however if you're in a situation where you have no idea if he'll kill or whether you give the money or not, then you kill.

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Stuff like this happens too fast and there are too many variables to know exactly how one would react. I wouldn't want to kill somebody. If the opportunity presented itself to take a robber down, though, my reaction would depend a lot on the combination of anger, fear, and adrenaline running through me at the time.

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Violent culture? lol. I'll take my country's "violent culture" of victims killing their assailants over other nations' "violent cultures" of assailants robbing and killing their unarmed victims any day.

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But if everybody would get out with 0 chance of getting hurt, then killing is wrong.

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yes. just like killing is an easy choice when you are 100% sure he is going to kill you after he gets your wallet

but you dont know that

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I agree completely.
I defiently think if you go robbing people you must realize their is a risk that your going to run into the wrong person.
If this was a home invansion is it safe to just start shooting as a home owner when the door busts open or do you wait to see their intent?

You defiently have to do something to protect yourself

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i'd gladly pay $100 just to NOT kill a guy.

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How could you NOT want to kill a scumbag with total impunity?

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Violent culture? lol. I'll take my country's "violent culture" of victims killing their assailants over other nations' "violent cultures" of assailants robbing and killing their unarmed victims any day.

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QFT

This British girl hears a story about elderly American tourists getting robbed by armed Costa Ricans and her reaction is that Americans suck.

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If this was a home invansion is it safe to just start shooting as a home owner when the door busts open or do you wait to see their intent?

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Depends on where you live. In some states, you could empty a clip into a completely unarmed burglar and not be charged with anything.

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People have the right to defend themselves against violent attackers, period. If, when doing so, the attacker dies, that's too bad for him. I have no sympathy, and I certainly would never in a million years give someone a day of jail time for doing this if I were on a jury.

I applaud this man for doing what he did. Good for him.

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if anyone read the article, you'll notice that the 70 yr old just tried to disarm the criminal and put him in a headlock, and he was declared dead later from asphyxiation.

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I would definitely kill the mugger, even if I was pretty sure he wouldn't kill me and I didn't have much money on me. [censored] him.

G. Gordon Liddy\'s Advice on Shooting Muggers
 

G. Gordon Liddy, a former attorney, former watergate conspirator, and nationally syndicated AM talk radio host had some direct advice for for those who are attacked by a mugger and have a gun to defend themselves.

1. Kill the mugger. If he is still breathing put two more bullets into him.
2. Go home and do NOT call the police.
3. Destroy the gun's ballistic evidence.

Liddy says going to the police will result in possible charges against YOU. Years of legal bills fighting a civil lawsuit with liberal lawyers asking you questions like 'why didn't you just wound him', etc.... In short, your life savings will evaporate and the next several years of your life will be in a courtroom.

Liddy recommends carrying a revolver to defend yourself. First, a revolver has no safety, so you can just point and shoot. With a semiauto, if you forget to switch the safety off, you could have a knife in the belly. Second, it is easier to destroy the ballistic evidence with a revolver. File down the firing pin and use a rat-tail file to scratch the inside of the barrel. Then diassemble and throw the gun away. With a semi auto, there are additional steps that need to be taken to destroy the ballistic evidence...

Good luck and good hunting. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I don't see a problem with it. Its not like you are hurting society by it. The person is a robber/mugger. Just kill him.

C-Dog

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The American, who is about 70 years old and retired from the military, put the 20-year-old in a head lock and broke his clavicle after the suspect and two other men armed with a knife and gun held up their tour bus


Wow, that is pretty bad ass. any dumb broad who brings up a subject like this in that setting, Im going to automatically take the opposite stance and ruin her night for being such a mood-killer, this is just one instance where my real POV lines up with my arguments.

Uh.....
 

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i'd gladly pay $100 just to NOT kill a guy.

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Uh......there have been cases where muggers have killed their victims becasue they were enraged their victims did not have enough money. You do not have the luxury of knowing whether or not you have a rational mugger or not..... As in old west gunfights, the first person to shoot has a huge advantage. If you have no weapon, your choice is easy. Give the money and hope you are not killed or beaten to death. If you have a gun, then you have more options. Me, I'm shooting it out. I'm not going to out-source my life hoping I have a rational mugger. If the mugger has a gun pointing at me, then I give the money. The time it takes to pull a gun out-of-my-pocket means I probably will be shot....

A friend of mine was being followed by some unsavory looking chracters at night in a tough neighborhood (Deep Ellum, lots of cool nightclubs but also lots of bad areas surrounding this neighborhood). He turn around and yelled at them, "What do you want!". They stopped bewildered and said, "We need a light". He yelled, "I don't smoke". They said, "Cheap mutherf*****" and they walked away in a DIFFERENT direction. My friend is convinced that his aggressive tonality of his voice let these guys know who was not going to be a victim.

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Chick should be impaled through the heart with an American flag.

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So knocking him out or incapacitating him isn't an option? It's either kill him or get robbed?

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If you an expert mixed-martial-arts guy then perhaps this is an option. But if you lose a 50-50 fist fight what will happen next? Just watch a few street fights on youtube to see the stomp-fests that occur when one guy gets knocked to the ground and is unconcious. It is a sick world.

So if getting critical maimed or killed is a risk your willling to take...then go for it. Social darwinsim will take place. Pansy-assed liberal-hippy-tree-criminal-huggers get the life stomped out-of-them while vilgilantes survive.

I'm very passionate about this subject because I have some personal experience in this area. There are a lot of sick bastard criminals out there and showing them mercy is -EV.

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Kill

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I would kill him and then take his wallet.

Re: G. Gordon Liddy\'s Advice on Shooting Muggers
 

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G. Gordon Liddy, a former attorney, former watergate conspirator, and nationally syndicated AM talk radio host had some direct advice for for those who are attacked by a mugger and have a gun to defend themselves.

1. Kill the mugger. If he is still breathing put two more bullets into him.
2. Go home and do NOT call the police.
3. Destroy the gun's ballistic evidence.

Liddy says going to the police will result in possible charges against YOU. Years of legal bills fighting a civil lawsuit with liberal lawyers asking you questions like 'why didn't you just wound him', etc.... In short, your life savings will evaporate and the next several years of your life will be in a courtroom.

Liddy recommends carrying a revolver to defend yourself. First, a revolver has no safety, so you can just point and shoot. With a semiauto, if you forget to switch the safety off, you could have a knife in the belly. Second, it is easier to destroy the ballistic evidence with a revolver. File down the firing pin and use a rat-tail file to scratch the inside of the barrel. Then diassemble and throw the gun away. With a semi auto, there are additional steps that need to be taken to destroy the ballistic evidence...

Good luck and good hunting. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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wtf kind of advice is that?

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i'd gladly pay $100 just to NOT kill a guy.

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Uh......there have been cases where muggers have killed their victims becasue they were enraged their victims did not have enough money. You do not have the luxury of knowing whether or not you have a rational mugger or not..... As in old west gunfights, the first person to shoot has a huge advantage. If you have no weapon, your choice is easy. Give the money and hope you are not killed or beaten to death. If you have a gun, then you have more options. Me, I'm shooting it out. I'm not going to out-source my life hoping I have a rational mugger. If the mugger has a gun pointing at me, then I give the money. The time it takes to pull a gun out-of-my-pocket means I probably will be shot....

A friend of mine was being followed by some unsavory looking chracters at night in a tough neighborhood (Deep Ellum, lots of cool nightclubs but also lots of bad areas surrounding this neighborhood). He turn around and yelled at them, "What do you want!". They stopped bewildered and said, "We need a light". He yelled, "I don't smoke". They said, "Cheap mutherf*****" and they walked away in a DIFFERENT direction. My friend is convinced that his aggressive tonality of his voice let these guys know who was not going to be a victim.

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uh.. sir, please read the rest of my post.

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more on your vacation please.

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last saturday night about a mile from my house a father and son were walking home from church (church on saturday?!) and they were robbed at gunpoint. they cooperated and then the father was shot dead in front of the son. there are no leads.

if someone threatens my life i have no qualms about killing that person. ultimately life is the most important thing i have and if someone wants to threaten it over what they think i have in my wallet, i dont mind one bit if they meet their own death along the way.

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last saturday night about a mile from my house a father and son were walking home from church (church on saturday?!) and they were robbed at gunpoint. they cooperated and then the father was shot dead in front of the son. there are no leads.

if someone threatens my life i have no qualms about killing that person. ultimately life is the most important thing i have and if someone wants to threaten it over what they think i have in my wallet, i dont mind one bit if they meet their own death along the way.

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Catholics have saturday night mass, this is the one I went to when I was a kid, its at 5pm at my church, is this uncommon for a lot of religions?

OK...Touche\'
 

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uh.. sir, please read the rest of my post.

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Ok...touche'.
My point is there is no way to tell if giving someone $100 will result in both of you walking away safely.

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uh.. sir, please read the rest of my post.

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Ok...touche'.
My point is there is no way to tell if giving someone $100 will result in both of you walking away safely.

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i agree.. we all have to make decisions based on the info available, but for these hypotheticals we can often stipulate certain conditions. if somehow i knew i was getting away unharmed i would rather lose the $100 than kill, that's all.

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Catholics have saturday night mass, this is the one I went to when I was a kid, its at 5pm at my church, is this uncommon for a lot of religions?

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would make sense. the victims were mexican nationals.

edit: although the murder happened at 10pm. seems kinda late for church for me but what do i know?

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wtf kind of advice is that?


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Advice from a attorney will extensive experience with the US legal system......

In the UK, they jailed a home owner who shot a burgler with a shotgun. The man's home had been robbed several times and so this time he made sure he was armed. The UK has gone nutty and they are lots of US politicians that want to follow the UK's example.

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I would not kill anyone to protect myself from getting robbed; Even if I was carrying $10,000 on me & even if I knew I wouldn't get charged with anything if I did. The only time I'd pull the trigger is if I was confident that inaction would have me or someone innocent killed.

Obv, this is cold-headed thinking. I don't know how I would react in the heat of the moment.

Re: G. Gordon Liddy\'s Advice on Shooting Muggers
 

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G. Gordon Liddy, a former attorney, former watergate conspirator, and nationally syndicated AM talk radio host had some direct advice for for those who are attacked by a mugger and have a gun to defend themselves.

1. Kill the mugger. If he is still breathing put two more bullets into him.
2. Go home and do NOT call the police.
3. Destroy the gun's ballistic evidence.

Liddy says going to the police will result in possible charges against YOU. Years of legal bills fighting a civil lawsuit with liberal lawyers asking you questions like 'why didn't you just wound him', etc.... In short, your life savings will evaporate and the next several years of your life will be in a courtroom.

Liddy recommends carrying a revolver to defend yourself. First, a revolver has no safety, so you can just point and shoot. With a semiauto, if you forget to switch the safety off, you could have a knife in the belly. Second, it is easier to destroy the ballistic evidence with a revolver. File down the firing pin and use a rat-tail file to scratch the inside of the barrel. Then diassemble and throw the gun away. With a semi auto, there are additional steps that need to be taken to destroy the ballistic evidence...

Good luck and good hunting. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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what if i want to be a sniper that shoots muggers who are robbing people at gun-point?

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In the UK, they jailed a shack dwelling loner who shot a 16 year old burglar in the back with a unlicensed illegal shotgun. The man's home had been robbed several times and so this time he made sure he was armed. As he sat home waiting with the lights off The UK has gone nutty and they are lots of US politicians that want to follow the UK's example.

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In the UK, they jailed a shack dwelling loner who shot a 16 year old burglar in the back with a unlicensed illegal shotgun. The man's home had been robbed several times and so this time he made sure he was armed. As he sat home waiting with the lights off The UK has gone nutty and they are lots of US politicians that want to follow the UK's example.

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Except for it being unlicensed, none of your other "points" matter at all.

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what if i want to be a sniper that shoots muggers who are robbing people at gun-point?

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Doing this public service can be expensive if you dump you gun after every kill.