Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

Villain is tight and afraid of me. I have been a lot more aggressive than me, and he keeps folding every time he doesn't have a hand. I doubled him up earlier with a bad play on the river with Q7 vs 22 on x77K2 board vs his 22.

Other than that, he is up $400 on me lifetime, as he has been given setups you could only dream of.

Sorry for mangled HH, but there's no converter for everest poker. So does this look right?

Starting game 1879911392.

Hallaisen is at seat 0 with $732.80.
chochi77o is at seat 1 with $729.

The dealer is seat 0.

Hallaisen posts a blind of $1.
chochi77o posts a blind of $2.

(Hallaisen is dealt 7d 7h.)

Pre-flop:
Hallaisen raises $4.
chochi77o calls for $4.

The flop comes
10d 6d 7s.

chochi77o checks.
Hallaisen bets $12.
chochi77o raises $23.
Hallaisen calls for $23.

The turn comes 4s.

chochi77o bets $77.
Hallaisen calls for $77.

The river comes Jc.

chochi77o bets $189.
Hallaisen calls for $189.


??

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

is turn an overbet? 77 into 54 pot? I raise that, only question is how much. Potting it sounds good.

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

i like how you played it, i think he has a big hand, but some big hands you still beat so you have to call, but there's a good chance he has it here.

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

ironfly: why raise the turn? i really don't see any point in doing that. I have position, and he's basically forced to bet AA, KK or QQ on the river. The problem as I see it is whether or not to raise river.

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

btw, let me add that I'm 99% sure he would reraise JJ+ preflop.

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

This one fell down to the third page, so im gonna top it. I talked to Svindle and he told me to raise river. I'd really like some opinions here.

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

do you think he plays 98 like this line?

yeah, turn raise is prolly not good.

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

Yep that's what I was afraid of, and he did have 89 for the flopped straight, but I'm curious if it's unprofitable to call it down like that in the long run.

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

Jesus, raise the god damn flop. Like WTF?

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

Why should I raise the flop? He did not bet his draws. If he has JJ+ I'm making it easy for him to get away by 4-betting the flop. I think the only debatable part of my hand is the river call.

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

[ QUOTE ]
Why should I raise the flop? He did not bet his draws. If he has JJ+ I'm making it easy for him to get away by 4-betting the flop. I think the only debatable part of my hand is the river call.

[/ QUOTE ]

You HAVE to reraise the flop, especially this deep, and its only a 3bet, not a 4bet.

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

[ QUOTE ]


You HAVE to reraise the flop, especially this deep, and its only a 3bet, not a 4bet.

[/ QUOTE ]


Not too much value raising the flop in my opinion, raising it means bluffs, and top pair can get away from the hand. Playing it the way he did means a missed flush draw could easily do the same thing, and have done to me. A majority people push missed draws just because of how weak the hand has been played for the hand he has and how much money the openant has put out in a missed draw hoping that the weak play means you can't call a all in.

Personaly I call it everytime unless i've played the other person along time and know how he plays his draws, strong hands and bluffs. 8 9 is the only hand that a majority of players will have you beat with, 10's re raise pre flop and so do jacks, so that leaves a few hands that may over play that flop. Bottom set will because of the board looking dangerous to draws, a straight already out there and a dimond draw, A8 suited will because of the many outs. Also two pair for the same reasens as bottom set, also top pair top kicker may also play the hand like this. These four hands are much more likely to play strong big bets than a made straight.


Also raising the flop means putting your self in an akward position. You raise he re-raises what do you do? Put him on two pair a set a straight or a flush? It's alot easier to get information on later streets and also can make you control the size of the pot if a danger card like the 8 of dimonds hits.

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

raise everywhere please

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

haffy: i like that analysis.. I really don't understand why anyone would raise any time before the river.

grandezza: why??

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

To charge draws and to get called by worse hands. And instacall/shove if he shoves/reraises.

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

[ QUOTE ]
haffy: i like that analysis.. I really don't understand why anyone would raise any time before the river.



[/ QUOTE ]

For value

Re: Middle set very deep 1/2 NL
 

Personally I don't buy that. It's not hard to play a set OOP. I care more about protecting my hand and getting huge value than trying to trick top pair into sticking around (who will probably call a flop 3bet anyways).

Speaking of hard to play, what are you going to do when an 8, 9, or diamond hits the turn and Villain pots it?

Do NOT try to fancy play a set on a flush draw / straight draw flop 350bb deep!!