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Lennon 09-05-2007 07:16 PM

what\'s the rule for getting up from the table
 
In my home game, a player called the big blind and got up to get a drink. When he came back a minute later he was pissed that we folded his hand to a flop bet.

How do casinos handle this? Give player a courtesy one-minute wait, or just auto-fold to the first bet?

Thanks!

DavidNB 09-05-2007 07:20 PM

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Usually autofold if not at the table, atleast thats what they do a a casino. For a home game, I would expect the player would be in the same room and I would simple call him back to the table.

Rottersod 09-05-2007 07:59 PM

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In my home game, a player called the big blind and got up to get a drink. When he came back a minute later he was pissed that we folded his hand to a flop bet.

How do casinos handle this? Give player a courtesy one-minute wait, or just auto-fold to the first bet?

Thanks!

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You can't give him one minute or else you'd never get a good game going. If he's in the same room alert him that he's going to be mucked and if he doesn't come over then do it. If he's not in the room it is auto-mucked unless he's told you he'll be right back.

Zetack 09-05-2007 08:14 PM

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In my home game, a player called the big blind and got up to get a drink. When he came back a minute later he was pissed that we folded his hand to a flop bet.

How do casinos handle this? Give player a courtesy one-minute wait, or just auto-fold to the first bet?

Thanks!

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Player gets a KITN for getting up and leaving the room in a hand where he called. He should only leave the room in hands he folds PF.

In a friendly home game I might give him some slack if he folds pre-flop goes into the next room for a beverage and is clearly trying to get back wihout holding up the game.

--Zetack

psandman 09-05-2007 08:29 PM

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The way I handle it in a casino is this.f the player is nearby I shout hey its your action and give him time to act (assuming he acts verbally or comes right back when I tell him this) If a player gets up and leaves the vicinit would announce him as checking if there has been no bet, but as soon as there is a bet and the action gets around to him I would fold the hand.

Lottery Larry 09-06-2007 10:01 AM

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In my home game, a player called the big blind and got up to get a drink. When he came back a minute later he was pissed that he was such an idiot as to leave in the middle of a hand

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Lottery Larry 09-06-2007 10:02 AM

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The way I handle it in a casino is this.f the player is nearby I shout hey its your action and give him time to act (assuming he acts verbally or comes right back when I tell him this) If a player gets up and leaves the vicinit would announce him as checking if there has been no bet, but as soon as there is a bet and the action gets around to him I would fold the hand.

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And that's why psand is the man

facialabuse 09-06-2007 12:19 PM

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why did someone say to give him a cat?

Zetack 09-06-2007 12:43 PM

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why did someone say to give him a cat?

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Because kittens are evil, obviously, and thus an appropriate punishment for the middle-of-the-hand-leaving-douche.

Lottery Larry 09-06-2007 12:49 PM

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why did someone say to give him a cat?

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Because kittens are evil, obviously, and thus an appropriate punishment for the middle-of-the-hand-leaving-douche.

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And THAT, ladies and gents, is how a HP vet handles a noob!

(something ELSE for the FAQ...)

budblown 09-06-2007 04:06 PM

Re: what\'s the rule for getting up from the table
 
Same scenario but the guy getting up is getting a round of drinks for the table. Do you auto-muck his cards pre-flop if he was getting the drinks between hands? If so, that's F'ing Chicken Shti.

Happened to me once and it'll never happen again. (No the bastards didn't get their booze either)

Small Fry 09-06-2007 07:45 PM

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I doubt I would fold his hand (friendly, social home game) but I would give him a world of grief the rest of the night (and possibly for several more games in the future) for getting up in the middle of a hand. He would serve as a warning to all the others not to leave during a hand.

TexRef 09-06-2007 09:20 PM

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The players that I generally play with have all come to the understanding that we do not wait for you if you are away from the table - your hand is getting mucked. As previous posters said, if you waited 30 seconds here, a minute there, etc., every time someone wasn't there you would be waiting more than you were playing.

hime 09-06-2007 10:03 PM

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We have a player in my game who says "Call every street until the river." We love him.

Rottersod 09-06-2007 11:05 PM

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We have a player in my game who says "Call every street until the river." We love him.

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I would too. And I'd buy him as many drinks as he wanted. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

hime 09-07-2007 01:46 AM

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We don't mind his quick smoke breaks at all, and he has no problem getting sloshy on his own. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

hime 09-07-2007 01:48 AM

Re: what\'s the rule for getting up from the table
 
Second favorite thing he does: blind calls preflop UTG in Omaha 8.

Mr.WeakTight 09-07-2007 09:38 AM

Re: what\'s the rule for getting up from the table
 
in a tournament at a casino, you're not in your chair when the hand starts, your hand is dead.

cash game at a casino, you leave the table area, your hand is dead.

home game - at our home game tournaments, we'll call someone back who's stepped away momentarily and is nearby. otherwise, we kill the hand.

PayToSee 09-07-2007 08:56 PM

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I host home games, both tournament and cash.

I used to be pretty lenient about giving people time when they stepped away. It's a mistake. It slows down the game, and once people learn they have a minute of slack, they'll take two minutes... or three.

I announced a "rule change" a year or so ago. Now, if you aren't there when it's your turn to act, your hand is folded, mercilessly and without question.

(OK, I lie - there is a *little* mercy. If it's Joe's action, I'll say "Joe, it's your action". But if he's not literally walking back to the table right as I say that, he's folded. Stopping to open a beer is too long a pause).

I found that, after folding people's hands two or three times, no one ever leaves the table when they are in a hand any more. :-) Problem solved.

Feroc 09-10-2007 07:37 AM

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Were I play the hands get folded, too. Mostly they start a countdown of 10 seconds before they do so. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

pfapfap 09-10-2007 11:22 AM

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In our tourneys, we're pretty quick to fold, unless someone is getting beers for everybody else.

In cash games, we'll often just force people to call the BB or even a small raise (depending on the person). Or fold 'em. Or wait. Depends on how we're feeling at the time.

Kaka 09-10-2007 04:02 PM

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Let someone look who is already out of the hand and then employ the "reasonable man" standard - only calling is permitted, no raising. If there is a dispute, then a third non-involved player arbitrates said dispute and if the "reasonable man" acted imprudently, the amount of the call is refunded to the absent player. Loads of fun. (Can you tell this is a friendly game that started in law school?)

fracas 09-11-2007 07:18 AM

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I love how attorneys like to think of themselves as "reasonable". *:^)

Kaka 09-12-2007 02:43 PM

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I love how attorneys like to think of themselves as "reasonable". *:^)

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My nit: we don't think of ourselves as "reasonable," we just come off our high horse and employ the standard of reasonableness, doing what a "reasonable man" would do.

Anyway, I like lawyer jokes as much as the next guy, so I would fix your post to say "I love how attorneys like to think of themselves [as capable of being] reasonable."

pfapfap 09-12-2007 04:24 PM

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My head a splode.

Small Fry 09-12-2007 06:07 PM

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Let someone look who is already out of the hand and then employ the "reasonable man" standard - only calling is permitted, no raising. If there is a dispute, then a third non-involved player arbitrates said dispute and if the "reasonable man" acted imprudently, the amount of the call is refunded to the absent player. Loads of fun. (Can you tell this is a friendly game that started in law school?)

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Way O/T

But what if, by the "reasonable" man standard, the player would have raised? Seams unfair to limit the play. Is this cause for arbitration and refund? Obvious example here is AA

Sevenfold 09-12-2007 07:29 PM

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Let someone look who is already out of the hand and then employ the "reasonable man" standard - only calling is permitted, no raising. If there is a dispute, then a third non-involved player arbitrates said dispute and if the "reasonable man" acted imprudently, the amount of the call is refunded to the absent player. Loads of fun. (Can you tell this is a friendly game that started in law school?)

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Way O/T

But what if, by the "reasonable" man standard, the player would have raised? Seams unfair to limit the play. Is this cause for arbitration and refund? Obvious example here is AA

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Easy, can only raise if cards are AA.

pfapfap 09-13-2007 12:46 AM

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Since I tend to fold a little more than others, I've been handed cards and asked "does he fold?" ... Let me tell you, it's very uncomfortable when it's a big hand, because now they have information. I should just say "no" every time.

Lottery Larry 09-13-2007 10:44 AM

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Let someone look who is already out of the hand and then employ the "reasonable man" standard - only calling is permitted, no raising. If there is a dispute, then a third non-involved player arbitrates said dispute and if the "reasonable man" acted imprudently, the amount of the call is refunded to the absent player. Loads of fun. (Can you tell this is a friendly game that started in law school?)

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That game would have to be really damned friendly, and low stakes, before a committee gets to play my money

Lottery Larry 09-13-2007 10:48 AM

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(OK, I lie - there is a *little* mercy. If it's Joe's action, I'll say "Joe, it's your action". But if he's not literally walking back to the table right as I say that, he's folded. Stopping to open a beer is too long a pause).

I found that, after folding people's hands two or three times, no one ever leaves the table when they are in a hand any more. :-) Problem solved.

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call out to the player, but he only gets a few seconds.

It sucks a bit as the host when you get hit by this rule, but it's just one hand out of thousands.

if you can't accept the responsibility to the others, to not hold up the game, don't play... or, don't look at your cards and leave before the action starts.

Kaka 09-13-2007 12:31 PM

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Not being able to raise in absentia is the price one pays for being absent at decision time.


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