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Little John 10-04-2007 12:23 PM

$60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
both villians unknown with average looking stats (like 23/8)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP1 (t3030)
MP2 (t1095)
CO (t3545)
Button (t1660)
SB (t1530)
Hero (t1280)
UTG (t1360)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls t100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t50.

Flop: (t325) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t325) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>

MikeMcQ1 10-04-2007 12:28 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
Looks fine, but I'd often just fold PF. I'd be more interested in the river if you got called.

suzzer99 10-04-2007 12:38 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
Yeah this hand is pretty standard so far.

Little John 10-04-2007 12:58 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
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Looks fine, but I'd often just fold PF. I'd be more interested in the river if you got called.

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Mike, i am closing the action geting 5:1. i am only playing strong draws and 2-pair+ on the flop.

rakes.a.beach 10-04-2007 01:17 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
I have an off topic question. How did you get your handhistory? Did you have to save it at that moment or can you go back to it with pokertracker? I've recently started playing SNGs on stars and my PT doesn't record any of the hands except the stats do display on hud. My question is: is there anyway to go back to the hand once the tourney is finished? Again, sorry if I hijacked your thread.

As for the hand, I check the turn more than I bet.

MikeMcQ1 10-04-2007 01:50 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
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Looks fine, but I'd often just fold PF. I'd be more interested in the river if you got called.

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Mike, i am closing the action geting 5:1. i am only playing strong draws and 2-pair+ on the flop.

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Flopping 2-pair or better is something like 20:1. Playing draws and semi-bluffing OOP with stacks this shallow I find less than fun, and probably more importantly, less than profitable. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

suzzer99 10-04-2007 01:52 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
Yeah but idiots that minraise monsters UTG also like to slowplay post flop, and are very easy to stack when you do hit.

darinvg 10-04-2007 01:56 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
Seems OK but I'm not thrilled w/ it.
HH saving:
You have to turn on the option in the lobby for your HHs to get saved to your hard drive.

stickfighter 10-04-2007 02:17 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
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I have an off topic question. How did you get your handhistory? Did you have to save it at that moment or can you go back to it with pokertracker? I've recently started playing SNGs on stars and my PT doesn't record any of the hands except the stats do display on hud. My question is: is there anyway to go back to the hand once the tourney is finished? Again, sorry if I hijacked your thread.

As for the hand, I check the turn more than I bet.

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You can also have your hands emailed to you. Under requests, just highlight whatever number of previous hands you want to receive.

Little John 10-04-2007 03:13 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
Here is the rest of it. i just c/c'ed river trying to gain a few chips from a busted draw.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP1 (t3030)
MP2 (t1095)
CO (t3545)
Button (t1660)
SB (t1530)
Hero (t1280)
UTG (t1360)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls t100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t50.

Flop: (t325) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t325) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, UTG folds, Button calls t200.

River: (t725) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t210</font>, Hero calls t210.

Final Pot: t1145

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Button has Kh Tc (one pair, kings).
Hero has 8s 9s (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Button wins t1145. </font>

suzzer99 10-04-2007 03:26 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
Standard. Make a note - fairly loose and passive, will make thin VB on river.

MikeMcQ1 10-04-2007 03:56 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
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Yeah but idiots that minraise monsters UTG also like to slowplay post flop, and are very easy to stack when you do hit.

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If this is why you called PF, you should call with anything, not just a pretty SC.

MikeMcQ1 10-04-2007 03:57 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
John,

I'd like to know what you would do if he bets t500.

suzzer99 10-04-2007 04:18 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
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Yeah but idiots that minraise monsters UTG also like to slowplay post flop, and are very easy to stack when you do hit.

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If this is why you called PF, you should call with anything, not just a pretty SC.

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What? SC has a much greater chance to hit if you see 4 or 5 cards than J6o. Dudes who minbet AA like to minbet the flop. They don't want to lose you. I'm not saying this is the only reason to call. But I'm saying the 20-1 of flopping 2p or better isn't the only consideration. There's implied odds.

Pudge714 10-04-2007 04:20 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
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Standard. Make a note - fairly loose and passive, will make thin VB on river.

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lol at river being thin.

suzzer99 10-04-2007 04:22 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
Sorry - I meant small value bet. Not thin.

Little John 10-04-2007 09:42 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
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John,

I'd like to know what you would do if he bets t500.

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is puke an acceptable answer?

it is hard to give an honest answer afterwards because i now know what he has. but i am a nit so i probably just fold. i guess to some extent i have shown very little strenght and it looks like have a middle pair, a missed draw, or a non improved combo draw (65, 76, 87). so if you follow that logic he should be betting small with a king or better to extract value and only betting medium/big if he missed his hand and needs me to fold.

Pudge714 10-04-2007 11:19 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
I'm a station, but I probably call 500 on river people rarely check tp on this flop and a bunch of draws missed. When he bets 500 on this river he usually has 75, weird two pair or clubs.

mclaughlin04 10-04-2007 11:35 PM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
I'd block bet river to avoid spewing of more chips/having to consider a 500 bet on the river. I dont like the check call personally.

you only have 1280 to start the hand, 980 on river. I don't like check calling 200 of chips, id rather lead 150 and if he raises then fold obv.

Little John 10-05-2007 12:14 AM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
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I'd block bet river to avoid spewing of more chips/having to consider a 500 bet on the river. I dont like the check call personally.

you only have 1280 to start the hand, 980 on river. I don't like check calling 200 of chips, id rather lead 150 and if he raises then fold obv.

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you are only talking a difference of 50 chips. he is never calling the river with a hand we beat, so better to let him bet 200 with air.

Scotty_12 10-05-2007 02:15 AM

Re: $60 L3 turn middle middle pair 3-way
 
I like the hand as played, but I think its more worth noting button does not bet flopped top pair.

Agree with little john's post above


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