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blumpkin 09-16-2007 06:01 AM

AA faces push with player all-in
 
This hand was very early in the session. I don't have any history with either player. It's a 9-max table that was 6-handed.

SB: $2,080.25
Hero (BB): $1,084.00
UTG: $192.00
MP: $1,380.00
CO: $207.00
BTN: $1,071.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $10.00, 2 folds, BTN calls $10.00, SB calls $5.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $50.00</font>, UTG calls $40.00, BTN calls $40.00, SB calls $40.00

Flop: ($200) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $150.00</font>, UTG calls all-in for $142.00, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $2,030.25</font>, Hero

Burdzthewurd 09-16-2007 06:05 AM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
Fist-pump call? SB easily can have some sort of combo draw here, AK too.

DTD 09-16-2007 06:09 AM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
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Fist-pump call? SB easily can have some sort of combo draw here, AK too.

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] The odds look sort of OK, and you have aces dammit, but you are hardly ever ahead here let's face it.

homeboy604 09-16-2007 07:18 PM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
i fold.

xSCWx 09-16-2007 08:14 PM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
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Fist-pump call? SB easily can have some sort of combo draw here, AK too.

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DeucesNeverLoses 09-16-2007 08:23 PM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
Eww, that's a gross spot...totally looks like 55...no way SB has AK here since he would RR pre if he's decent at all. I think you have to let this one go unless you're a fan of variance. Even if he has something like JTs, you're still barely ahead.

Jinx 09-16-2007 08:24 PM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
just fold it

BDub1 09-16-2007 11:42 PM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
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Eww, that's a gross spot...totally looks like 55...no way SB has AK here since he would RR pre if he's decent at all. I think you have to let this one go unless you're a fan of variance. Even if he has something like JTs, you're still barely ahead.

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You're a 3:1 favorite over JT, unless it is suited in [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and then it is a coin flip. If he thinks you raised pf with AdKd then he needs you off the hand with TPTK and the nut flush draw if he hit his set. If he thinks you just have a K or AA/QQ then I think it is a bad shove to get you off a hand you are drawing slim with.

A lot depends on your image and what he perceives. Would you raise pf with just AKo, suited connectors or air oop. What is his image? Does he have AK, bottom set or the nut flush draw? Some guys like to push with a combo draw, pair and flush draw, str8 and flush draw and bet enough to see the turn and the river, because more money would go in after the turn and there might be some fold equity.

Tough choice, but I am siding with fold, it really is only 1 pair. In reality, you can't beat the set of 5s, 10s, or KD. You can beat AK, a flush draw and a str8 draw.

winningfish 09-16-2007 11:48 PM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
Hey I got slammed by the board for suggesting sometimes you'd consider a fold with AA.. I guess it was Sunday morning after players suffer badbeats aye? lmao

Yeah we got AA!! Fist pump INSTA call!!! let's give a grand to a set!!!! lmao

blumpkin 09-16-2007 11:48 PM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
Bdub, the K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is on the board; I'm confused about some of your statements. DeucesNever was obviously saying could definitely have J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and it's basically 50/50 there vs my AA no diamond.

I really don't think he'd play KK or TT this way...could be 55 or KT though. I really think he has diamonds here a lot: QJ, JT, QT, T9, T8, etc.

nuggetz87 09-17-2007 12:31 AM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
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call? SB easily can have any sort of draw here, AK too.

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RolloRolf 09-17-2007 12:42 AM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
But with one guy already all in, he doesnt have any Fold equity.

BalugaWhale 09-17-2007 12:53 AM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
fold

FireStorm 09-17-2007 01:06 AM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
As stated above, the odds can be tweaked to make it look like we're OK here, but we are rarely winning. This is a combo draw a lot, so the question is how often does the rest of his range have us pwned .... the answer is that we're crushed here a lot more often then we are ahead of AK. Fold is good.

BDub1 09-17-2007 01:44 AM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
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Bdub, the K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is on the board; I'm confused about some of your statements. DeucesNever was obviously saying could definitely have J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and it's basically 50/50 there vs my AA no diamond.

I really don't think he'd play KK or TT this way...could be 55 or KT though. I really think he has diamonds here a lot: QJ, JT, QT, T9, T8, etc.

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That's my bad. I meant to say A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Still, he is already in a showdown with one player, can you really overcall against two players with AA, no diamond, no re-draw. It sucks to muck AA on the flop, but unless these guys like putting it all in on a draw or a bluff, discretion is the better part of valor. But what do I know, I never muck 3rd pair on a double paired board with a four flush! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Renton 09-17-2007 04:47 AM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
i know preflop doesn't matter in poker and blah blah blah

but srsly raise more preflop here.

Slap My Jack 09-17-2007 04:50 AM

Re: AA faces push with player all-in
 
fold


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