FT200, They be raising my set
 

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $248.35
BB: $200.00
UTG: $384.55
MP: $113.80
Hero (CO): $204.00
BTN: $135.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $2.00, Hero calls $2.00, BTN calls $2.00, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: ($9) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $8.00</font>, BTN calls $8.00, 2 folds

Turn: ($25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $14.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $46.00</font>, Hero calls $32.00

River: ($117) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets all-in for $79.00</font>, Hero ..?


Villain just say down 5 hands ago.

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Shove the turn mang wtf.

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difficult one, he is representing the str8 and all other sets beat you. The question actually is : does he have 2 pair &gt; 40% of the time ?
I could go either way, I do hate folding winners and like info and I'm abit of a station against unknowns so I prolly end up calling

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Jay riall has got a point : shoving turn is pretty good, you get value from most 2 pairs

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god preflop bahfw= 0wef2w4-243t2rfv0=e-0rvbg0w=r3g3w

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i despise preflop/turn.

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Preflop is totally fine.

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i don't doubt that it's +ev, but there's a reason 2+2ers raise it.

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it's cuz we're crazy yo

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yikes. raise pf so playing for stacks is easier and more fun. plz plz plz shove turn as played.

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wow, you are really bad at this game huh?

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preflop si fine, wtf

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wow, you are really bad at this game huh?

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Who are you referring to?

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gross preflop, gross....

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wow, you are really bad at this game huh?

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Who are you referring to?

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you ldo

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wow, you are really bad at this game huh?

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Who are you referring to?

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you ldo

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What is the value of stating such?

Re: FT200, They be raising my set
 

raise PF! i can see just completing in the SB or checking the BB after 3-4 limpers with 33 but c'mon

flop is standard

bet more on turn, why so little? shove over his raise! he only has 80 left.
only 68s beats you, 9T, 97, and 7T are all stacking off, not to mention the bazillion heart draws he couldve picked up to go along with his flopped pair... AhTh, Ah9h, Jh9h, etc

as played, river is a little tough because the Q completed a few more of the hands that you were ahead of before. i usually just shove myself becasue well, i has a set, and villain is a shorstack donk. since you didnt shove im still calling, cuz i still has a set



viper - quit being a d1ck

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raise PF! i can see just completing in the SB or checking the BB after 3-4 limpers with 33 but c'mon

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c'mon what? There are things such as table conditions, imagine, style and variation. You are now the 5th or 6th person saying RAISE PREFLOP ZOMG, and sofar it's not been very helpful.



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only 68s beats you

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J8.


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as played, river is a little tough because the Q completed a few more of the hands that you were ahead of before.

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That's only one hand, KJ, which is pretty unlikely.

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wtf @ PF being awful? Did anybody even notice that MP is half-stacked? I still generally raise this...but limping is far from terrible.

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c'mon what? There are things such as table conditions, imagine, style and variation. You are now the 5th or 6th person saying RAISE PREFLOP ZOMG, and sofar it's not been very helpful.

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bro, i didnt read the replies before i posted so calm down. limping isnt terrible, but everyone is saying raise PF because its more +EV than limping.



also @ J8:
if he can J8 then he can also have Q9, QT, 37s etc making this even more of a call.

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c'mon what? There are things such as table conditions, imagine, style and variation. You are now the 5th or 6th person saying RAISE PREFLOP ZOMG, and sofar it's not been very helpful.

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bro, i didnt read the replies before i posted so calm down. limping isnt terrible, but everyone is saying raise PF because its more +EV than limping.

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That's not an argument, that's an assertion. And also you fail to address my and loosbastard's factors that come into play.


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also @ J8:
if he can J8 then he can also have Q9, QT, 37s etc making this even more of a call.

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I mention J8 because you said I was only behind 68, which is obviously a very strange thing to say given that J8 is the most likely hand we are behind of.

Saying Q9 is as likely as J8 is totally bizarre to me. You think Q9 calls the flop and raises the turn, as likely as J8??!

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why does MP being 1/2-stacked make limping any better than raising? or any better than if he had a full stack?

and what were the "table conditions" or other factors? all you said was that villain just sat down 5 hands ago... had he limped evry hand so far or something that tells you J8 is in his range?

my point is that:
1) you shouldve been all in on the turn and
2) 2pr is more likely than a turned strt.

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tannenj (2:45:41 PM): i heard that once
tannenj (2:45:47 PM): nielsio bet, and a guy raised
tannenj (2:45:49 PM): and nielsio raised again!
tannenj (2:46:02 PM): and said, "take that, you government-loving schmuck!"

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fwiw i was obviously messing around, i think nielsio is a solid guy and have respect for his game.

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tannenj (2:45:41 PM): i heard that once
tannenj (2:45:47 PM): nielsio bet, and a guy raised
tannenj (2:45:49 PM): and nielsio raised again!
tannenj (2:46:02 PM): and said, "take that, you government-loving schmuck!"

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lol

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fwiw i was obviously messing around, i think nielsio is a solid guy and have respect for his game.

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he speaks the truth:

tannenj (2:48:27 PM): fwiw i actually like nielsio, i talk to him on aim

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Results:

I made an aggressive grudge call on the river because I couldn't get myself to fold (instincts ftw).

Villain had Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

During play I hadn't noticed the two hearts.

I agree that shoveling the turn has merit. There are some hands that would get it ai on the turn but might not pay on the river, like T8, 98, and ofcourse, all kinds of [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] combinations.

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I like a shove on the turn, he has two pair often enough

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is your sn public?

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is your sn public?

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he actually censored it out of every frame in the videos he made - can you believe that ?!?

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on another note, villain made a pretty awful turn raise.. why didnt he just shove?

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is your sn public?

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he actually censored it out of every frame in the videos he made - can you believe that ?!?

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videos? i'm so behind the times.

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Raise preflop. Limping is terrible because if you get in with this action in a limped pot you're usually behind. Also, don't go broke in an unraised pot. maybe you should move down, ldo.

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Raise preflop. Limping is terrible because if you get in with this action in a limped pot you're usually behind. Also, don't go broke in an unraised pot. maybe you should move down, ldo.

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is this a serious response?

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dunno how you couldnt shove turn he is repping J8/combo draws here...

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is your sn public?

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he actually censored it out of every frame in the videos he made - can you believe that ?!?

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i know it...ldo

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Villain just say down 5 hands ago.

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MP: $113.80


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These 2 point together make getting all in here a must ASAP. (ie 3bet turn, or shove river or c/c his shove or w/e ie dont fold)

Also, considering preflop, I don't know why you didn't raise after just 5 hands with MP unless button is super loose

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Villain just say down 5 hands ago.

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MP: $113.80


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These 2 point together make getting all in here a must ASAP. (ie 3bet turn, or shove river or c/c his shove or w/e ie dont fold)

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BTN is the villain, not MP.

BTN: $135.00


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Also, considering preflop, I don't know why you didn't raise after just 5 hands with MP unless button is super loose

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BTN sat down 5 hands ago. I don't quite understand your point in regards to MP.

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nielso,

sorry, didnt see button was villain. I still think that my 1st point is valid (he obv sat with a stack less than full, which in 80%+ cases IME means that he's not great, which means i'm very happy to stack off).

My second point was that I don't mind limping low PPs sometimes if I have a read on a limper before me. Here I wrongly thought you had only played 5 hands with MP and so had no read on him.