KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

Villain is 21/11/1.8 tho his flop AF is 9.25. I have been 3 betting alot and I think him and most of the table are getting sick of it at this point.

c/f flop seems really bad and i don't really like b/f or b/c that much so i c/c'd. what do i do on the river? advice on all streets welcome tho.


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $402.00
Hero (BB): $394.00
UTG: $873.10
MP: $708.20
CO: $374.00
BTN: $491.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $52.00</font>, BTN calls $38.00

Flop: ($106) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $88.00</font>, Hero calls $88.00

Turn: ($282) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($282) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $220.00</font>

Pot Size: $502.00

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

ill take a stab at this. CALL? We're beating a ton of hands here if we're ahead this will be a good way to put this ultra aggro villain on tilt.

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

dont 3bet K10 from a 21/11....other than that I prob fold the river

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

that river bet looks strong to me I still fold

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

i don't understand the villain's check on turn, with those AF stats he's betting the turn with a Q or better, he has made it look like he either has J9 or a hand that can't win at showdown

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

before I respond, how bout you take a gander at the board and put him on a range that would play the hand the way he played it...then i'll chime in -- just figured i'd hear your thought process first (when i am studying a hand, i feel that's more helpful)

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

really dont like preflop

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

i don't like preflop either but i think the river is what OP is trying to get the most feedback on..

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

yea, getting past PF being bad...i realize it is. i was having one of those sessions where you just feel like 3 betting everyone w/ anything that looks pretty. i was definitely spewing a little bit and putting alot of pressure on people. so thats my image.

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

i agree kitanai -- it looks like either j9 or KJ

-I don't see 88 betting on the flop (most likely take a free card)
-55 VERY unlikely (for obvious reasons)
-AQ, QT (don't see checking behind on turn)

Note: the only other hand I can fathom playing like this is JJ with a sick VB on the river, putting you solely on a 10.

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

Call river

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

does anyone have a better plan for the flop? i don't really know if i like any line at all but obv i have to do something.

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

fold? I would have preferred lead flop. If raised fold. If called lead turn (depending on the turn, but this one i like).

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

this is tilting towards a call for a couple of reasons #1, his flop bet after a check is pretty sizable and he likely doesnt have a monster as the board is not all that drawy and betting that big against a check with a monster is unlikely. He could still have a queen but the five on the turn must have seemed pretty harmless and i dont c a queen not betting here to chase out straight draws/get value from worse hands. And finally, ur getting 2:1 on ur river call if i read it right so u only have to be right once out of three hands to break even. j-9 is a possibility though which fits into the way it was played

*situation wouldve been helped by a continuation bet on the flop to c where u were at

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

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really dont like preflop

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fold river

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

Flat pre, as played fold river.

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

b/c flop.

edit: actually like your line more as long as you call riv.

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

callllllllllllllll

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

Hate preflop with your image especially oop.. call river

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

Meh, it appears close either way. Below is a range that includes several bluffing hands. Based on that range you should call. However, if you tinkered with the range below (and took away some of the bluffing hands), then you should fold. Overall, I think its a close decision that shouldn't matter too much either way:

Board: 5d Ts Qc 5c 8h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.185% 35.19% 00.00% 19 0.00 { KcTc }
Hand 1: 64.815% 64.81% 00.00% 35 0.00 { QQ-TT, 88, 55, ATs+, KJs+, J9s, AQo+ }

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

I don't like how you got there, but now that you're there, call the river. You've under-repped your hand + villian isn't really repping anything except J9 = call.

Re: KTs in 3bet pot...feel a little lost
 

i called river and he had 64hh. yes pf is bad and like i said, i was just kind of playing really spewy and doing weird stuff.

i wasn't sure i could b/c this flop because i wasn't sure there would be much air in his shoving range. i c/c'd cause i thought it would open his bluffing range up and was the only decent way to play the hand but i'm still a bit unsure.