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AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
Special rule for this thread:
We are gonna keep unrelated pictures out of here for the reasons in the first reply. "Unrelated" means people that we can barely connect to this, such as Oscar Hilt, his wife and/or their chihuahua and two goldfish. This is potentially subject to change in the near future, but for now, let's keep this narrowed down to people we know to be involved. Also, keep in mind that knowing what they look like and any further detective work on that point doesn't really get us anywhere [right now] except the occasional Photoshop. Cliffs' notes so far: Cribbed from previous cliff's notes. Thanks to all. A lot of this is copy/pasted from Josem's last cliffnotes, so thanks Josem for those. Short version: There is almost indisputable proof that users at AP were cheating by somehow viewing the whole cards of their opponents. Some information has come out that indicates an AP employee or ex-employee may have been involved. There is further evidence that it may be ex-owner, Scott Tom. Long version: ---------- entire history since POTRIPPER tournament ---------- 1) During a tournament played by cheater 'Potripper,' the person who ended up coming second ("Marco") thought he was cheated. He emailed Absolute, and they sent him a hand history file - an XLS file. 2) Marco opened up this file, it seemed all gibberish to him, and he didn't think anything of it. 3) First Absolute Poker scandal blow up - PT screenshots, etc. Graphical representation here: http://www.absolutepokercheats.com/vpipvbb.jpg 4) Fortnight passes 5) In passing discussion, Marco mentions he has this file. He shares it with a few people, including N 80 50 24(pokerdb.com maintainer, maker of The Poker Film, part owner of Bluff Media) who analyses what is in this file 6) Nat (N 82 50 24) & 2p2 poster Snagglepuss discover that this file is a complete hand history for the tournament - showing every table, and all hole cards of every player. Hand histories here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...=0&fpart=1 Youtube video of hands being replayed here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FczbS7FiWSM Quote: Also, for the straight dope on how this we got to this point, check out N825024's blog at http://www.natarem.com/ . 7) In further analysis of the spreadsheet, Nat and Snagglepuss determine that the IP address, user number and email address of observers has been documented. 8) In 7, they determine that an account with user number 363 observes Potripper's table from 2 minutes into the tournament until the end. 9) At the start of the tournament, for the two hands that user #363 is not observing the table, Potripper folds preflop. He doesn't fold another hand pre-flop for 20minutes, when he open-folds with KK held by a player behind him. 10) They also discover another observer, with the same IP (in San Jose, Costa Rica), with a different user number and the email address scott@rivieraltd.com, observing another table for a short period of time. 11) It is speculated that the other observer could be Potripper's user account. 12) It was determined that the domain rivieraltd.com was pointing to a mail server which happened to be on an IP allocated to Absolute Entertainment SA, at Mohawk Internet Technologies' data center. 12.5) Shortly (within an hour or two) after the findings in 12 are posted here, the DNS information for rivieraltd.com is deleted. 13)The IP associated with the observer in #10 turns out to be a residential cable modem registered to Scott Tom, AP's President as of 2005. 14)Mason weighs in on things here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...age=0&vc=1 15)Absolute sends an email to one player saying they will undergo a formal audit from gamingassociates.com here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ge=0&vc=1. AP also claims Scott Tom has not been employed by AP for over a year, although its known that he was involved with AP as recently as 6 months ago, and may still be running the show from behind the scenes. 16) Steven D. Levitt posts about this story on his NY Times blog for the second time: First post http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.co...-not-to-cheat/ New post http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.co...own-wide-open/ 17) The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com. AJ Green changed his name from Allan Grimard, and was involved in internat scams before AP. 18) The ABS Poker worker who sent the .xls file out no longer is employed by Absolute. 19) DanDruff speaks to a "senior" member of staff @ AP Dan Druff's 1st suggestion http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12545720 A lot of uproar and criticism followed this post from DD, xxxlink DD's Next Idea http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12546896 Dan Druff's view http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12546433 21) Absolute agree to letting KGC audit/investigate them : KGC Story http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12548190 http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommi...ry.asp?show=10 22) Mark Seif plays $1k tourney on Absolute and gets grilled by the rail...but then proceeds to still deny that tourney hands look suspicious and say that Dan Druff is likely to be sued for slander yadda yadda yadda... 23) Associated Press have picked up the story...http://www.ktvn.com/Global/story.asp?S=7229673 24) P5's Admin invited to ABS Poker offices in Costa Rica... Meeting doesn't go as people would have hoped as Absolute still denying a lot pretty much..but P5's possibly letting them off lightly when presented with a great opportunity. Crossposted Summary http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12553493 25) AJ Green/Potripper on AP = FATRAISER on Stars Scott Tom has account at Ultimate Bet under the name of 'PotChopper' Potchoppers Non-cashes from the DB http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12554120 26) More Absolute Staff appearing to be 2+2 members : Quote: Josem : I am reliably informed that: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&User=7262 = RUNNINONMT on UB That player is Brent Beckley, another major player at AP his email is brent@rivieraltd.com and from the montana group of people who run ap Brent also runs the security department at AP. 27) Several other "suspicious" $500 MTT winners were listed but so far, nothing concrete on those, and probably just paranoia. 28) Dan Druff second call from AP was handled by a PR flak and was back to the usual stonewalling and lies. Dan Druff's 2nd Call with AP http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12554163 29) Gambling911 picks up the story: http://www.gambling911.com/Absolute-Poker-101807.html 30) P5's gets a phone call saying AP will make a statment saying their system were compromised and they will provide details in a statment coming shortly. http://www.pocketfives.com/18B87A4F-...9C725E0FA.aspx --------- history in last thread ---------- 31) The interwebs go wild with everyone patting themselves on the back. Many think AP will own up to everything and redeem themselves. 32) Now that both sides have made public statements and talked with news organizations, the story starts hitting the mass media. "No management involved" story on Gambling911: http://www.gambling911.com/Absolute-Poker-101907.html The 'geek' defense on MSN: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21381022/ ABC News coverage: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/sto...500&page=1 33) While agreeing that the stories are all generally well written, posters immediately point out the holes in AP's story, noting it is ripped directly from the plot of recent big-screen blockbuster Live Free or Die Hard. Other posters point out that we might want to wait until the "official" statement, so as to avoid giving AP more information to concoct a believable cover story. 34) N 82 50 24 and Adanthar state that they have more information on AP, but will refrain (for now) from posting the drama bombs to avoid tipping their hand to AP, essentially allowing them to hang themselves with the rope they've been given. We're definitely playing a game of cat-and-mouse with AP now, and AP is losing. 35) A plea from NLfool: Quote: somebody please save all the previous releases from AP and their previous emails to AP players and post it another thread for clarity or the media. There have to be so many lies in it that the public should even be able to decipher. AP has shown a willingness to try and make evidence disappear. Can someone catalog everything so that their lies are visible to all? Thanks. 36) Mark Seif agrees to have the HHs from his questionable session posted to clear up the issue. Mark and stuckinpgh have requested the HHs from AP. 37) More stories hitting. Houston Chronicle: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/5225533.html Cardplayer: http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news...ecurity-breach 38) AP has started calling everyone in the POTRIPPER tournament and giving them $500 for accidentally releasing their personal information. http://www.pocketfives.com/71799506-...BF161EF92.aspx 39) Nat talks to AP on the phone, and they said that they will clean up and go after the person (persons?) who are responsible.. Quote: So the bottom line is that he said all of the right things and, if he's telling the truth, then I believe that AP will come out of this an improved and effective organization. If he's feeding me a pile of crap then we're right back where we've been for the last month. 40) As of Friday evening, cashouts from AP are still being processed. Previous threads here: We win? http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12566388 updated 10/18 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12554106 10/17 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12541923 An Inside Job http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12523924 |
Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
great progress
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so pretty much nothing has happened in 12 hours.
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From the last thread:
[ QUOTE ] Statement almost there - however this is getting completly out of control. HILT HILT TATUM IS COMPLETLEY UNCONECTED WITH THIS CASE - HE HAS NEVER BEEN THE CFO - HIS WIFE AND FAMILY ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS INVESTIGATION - THE COMPANY IS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING - I URGE YOU TO CONTACT THE MODS AND HAVE ALL PICTURES REMOVED - PLEASE TRY AND HELP THIS BEYOND THE CALL - AND THEY ARE AS INNOCENT AS ANYONE. [/ QUOTE ] As I said, I'm inclined to agree with this, mostly because we do not actually have much evidence on Oscar and I don't feel like contacting TxRedman to find their house is a good usage of resources that won't get anyone arrested for stalking. Also, keep in mind that enough people in poker know all these guys that their name is mud anyway and we can probably get more pictures whenever we feel like it. Having said that, let's temporarily move on to more important things, like camping my inbox for the statement. |
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I think we pretty much confirmed that AP is watching the forum closly! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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any update to the timeline for the release of that Absolute "statement"?
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Glad to see this still moving along, I wish we had a time table from AP. Would make the wait much less agonizing.
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i thought the whole pic thing was retarded but that arrow seems to have struck a nerve with them. Why should AP care if some unconnected guy gets his pic put up on an internet forum? LOL at AP asking for help BTW
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So let me get this straight...
AP lies to us for a month, gives the press a huge whopper of a story to print regarding a "rogue geek employee" hacking the system just to show he could, and continues to stonewall us after promising an official statement. Now they say we should be kind enough to keep Oscar's name out of this, even after they lied in their last official statement, exonerating Scott Tom of any wrongdoing. ATTENTION ABSOLUTE POKER: Come clean about what really happened and we will stop speculating about potentially uninvolved parties! Also, please note that the 2+2 community is very intelligent, so please come up with something better than "a geek who wanted to prove his manager wrong" if you really want to lie. Thanks. |
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So nobody has had a cashout from AP accepted since Friday? Is that what its saying.
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So nobody has had a cashout from AP accepted since Friday? Is that what its saying. [/ QUOTE ] It's saying that unless something crazy happened between Friday night and now, cashouts are fine. |
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I think we pretty much confirmed that AP is watching the forum closly! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] No doubt. Those pics sure hit a sore spot. |
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i just don't understand how so many articles could have been so misinformed about Mr. Tom's status within the company as well as Mr. Tatum's, seems like there's a lot of articles out there confirming titles such as CEO, CFO, etc. Just funny how Absolute claims there is no merit to these stories
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[ QUOTE ] So nobody has had a cashout from AP accepted since Friday? Is that what its saying. [/ QUOTE ] It's saying that unless something crazy happened between Friday night and now, cashouts are fine. [/ QUOTE ] Just making sure... keep us posted on the cash-out situation. |
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Dan Druff: I completely understand where you're coming from on this, but it makes a certain amount of sense not to start flooding the thread with pictures of a guy whose connection to the scandal is an account name (which doesn't match the pattern of the rest of those guys BTW), especially when the timeframe is measured in hours. I also don't feel like stalking these people is going to accomplish anything important. Meanwhile, if Oscar turns out guilty, it won't take long to re-release the hounds.
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[ QUOTE ] I think we pretty much confirmed that AP is watching the forum closly! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] No doubt. Those pics sure hit a sore spot. [/ QUOTE ] Nahhh...hit a weak spot. Edit: lol here's part of an email that I sent to a girlfriend yesterday whom I haven't seen for 9 years: I have issues with my location that are not related to you at all. To keep the innocent people in your life innocent, sometimes you must exclude them from your life. gg |
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i do like the fact that absolute teed off on only part of what was posted, focusing only on hilt tatum.
the picture from the last thread quite clearly seems to be scott tom when you look at the picture of philip tom aka the chairman. |
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it doesn't seem like the truth should take this long.
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Dan Druff: I completely understand where you're coming from on this, but it makes a certain amount of sense not to start flooding the thread with pictures of a guy whose connection to the scandal is an account name (which doesn't match the pattern of the rest of those guys BTW), especially when the timeframe is measured in hours. I also don't feel like stalking these people is going to accomplish anything important. Meanwhile, if Oscar turns out guilty, it won't take long to re-release the hounds. [/ QUOTE ] The AP guy who email me (and I forwarded to adanthar) claims there is "100% proof" that OSCAR133 is not Hilt Tatum. So I agree that we should hold off on posting pictures of him. I think the main value of that album is that we found a picture that I'm pretty sure is Scott Tom. After that, I don't really see the need for it. |
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i just don't understand how so many articles could have been so misinformed about Mr. Tom's status within the company as well as Mr. Tatum's, seems like there's a lot of articles out there confirming titles such as CEO, CFO, etc. Just funny how Absolute claims there is no merit to these stories [/ QUOTE ] frankly, there are 3-4 companies in the combined AP/UB structure, all of whom have executives and all of whom it's relatively impossible to keep straight since it's not like they don't all share the same people anyway. however, it's definitely possible that Hilt is not the particular executive we're looking for. incidentally, in all the commotion about Oscar133, nobody's bothered getting a tournament history from anyone involved? |
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THE PLAYERS
-------------------------- ABSOLUTE POKER "Absolute Poker and the Absolute Poker website are solely owned and operated by Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, Route 138, Kahnawake, Quebec J0L 1B0. Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG is owned by a Mohawk of Kahnawake and is operated from the sovereign nation of the Mohawks of Kahnawake, located near Montreal Quebec." Established in 2003, AbsolutePoker.com is headquartered in Costa Rica and licensed and regulated in Canada. Absolute Poker purchased Ultimate Bet in Oct, 2006. $10 million in cash and about $140 million in 5 future annual payments. A company profile from ZOOM INFO shows a corporate address as: P.O. Box 025292 Miami, FL 33102-5292 USA KAHNAWAKE GAMING COMMISSION KCG WEBSITE P.O. Box 1799 Old Malone Highway Kahnawake Mohawk Territory, QC J0L 1B0 CANADA Established June 10, 1996 and presently comprised of three members appointed by the Mohawk Council of Kahnawake: David Montour (Chairperson), Melanie Mayo, and Kevin Kennedy. The Commission is empowered to regulate and control gaming and gaming related activities conducted within and from the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake in accordance with the highest principles of honesty and integrity. The KGC is currently investigating Absolute Poker. The Fraternity - SAE - MONTANA Many of the founders/employees of Absoulte Poker can be linked to this Montana Fraternity. SCOTT TOM AP was started by Scott Tom and a few Ivy league friends back in 2003. Phil Tom and the other fathers of these kids bankrolled the venture, and Absolute Poker was born. Phil Tom is Scott Tom's FATHER, not his brother. The IP address that this 'other' account was logged in from was traced to the home cable modem of Scott Tom, CEO of Absolute poker. scott@rivieraltd.com is apparently the CEO, and is also the owner of account POTRIPPER. Scott Tom is also apparently the owner of the STEAMROLLER account. If you guys remember, there were two people watching Potripper's table. One is #363; the other is assumed to be Potripper. That second account's email address is scott@rivieraltd.com. The IP address cross-references to someone named Scott Tom, who also appears to be an owner at AP. It should also be noted that the first part of the rivieraltd.com email is "scott@". Scott Tom has been spamming poker forums as recently as June 2007 on behalf of Absolute Poker. Scott Tom has account at Ultimate Bet under the name of 'PotChopper' From brsavage, a highly respected member of the poker community: "Scott Tom is not an ex employee of Absolute. He was at the sale from Excapsa to the AP ownership group, and we have him tied to AP in recent history and I have confirmed from parties within that he is in fact STILL in control of AP. He may be in seclusion in Panama, but his attorneys are acting at his behest in trying to maintain contol of AP." Absolute's statement: "With respect to the claims that Scott Tom, a former Member of Team Absolute Poker, is in anyway involved in wrong-doing, Absolute Poker has requested a formal investigation into that matter as well. Mr. Tom has not been involved with Absolute Poker for over a year and to the best of our knowledge, information and belief has not had access to any of Absolute Poker’s systems, databases or information." AJ GREEN The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com and the former director of operations at Absolute. AJ Green was formerly known as Allan Grimard and had a name change once moving to Costa Rica. AJ Green is also POTSLAMMER, he of the 3 posts shilling for AP in his only thread. As we already know, The Watchdog, who comes in to defend him and co-shill for AP in that thread, is probably Scott Tom. AJ Green/Potripper on AP [almost certainly] = FATRAISER on Stars. BRENT BECKLEY Director of Payments and Risk Management at Absolute Poker. alumnus from SAE frat in Montana from 1999. President of Sigma Alpha Epsilon's UM chapter. That player is Brent Beckley, another major player at AP. Brent Beckley worked for AP when a poster propped there. He was a part of support and security. Brent Beckley's last known city of residence is Miami, which is the location of one of the cheater accounts. He was a frat brother of Scott Tom in Montana. Brent plays as RUNNINONMT on UB. His email is brent@rivieraltd.com and Brent is from the montana group of people who run Absolute. Steamroller, a cheating account, is known to have played from Miami. Absolute Poker's recent press releases come out of Miami. OSCAR HILT Oscar Hilt = another one of Scott Tom's frat brothers, and was also employed by Absolute, as the CFO maybe? Possibly the account OSCAR133 CFO Oscar Hilt Tatum IV, although it seems that he sometimes goes by a combination of just 2 of those names such as Hilt Tatum IV or Oscar Hilt. This post doesn't have any big juicy dramabomb to reveal, just some facts culled about him from various corners of the internet. - He is the CFO of Absolute Poker according to this page ( http://www.onlinecasinosandplayers.c...num=1189786905 ) which describes a recent incident where a plane skidded off a runway in Costa Rica. Interestingly, that incident just happened about a month ago, and the website where the article is reprinted (although far from authoritative) refers to Oscar as the CFO and Tom Scott as the CEO of both Absolute and UB (despite AP's protestations that Scott is no longer involved with the company). You can read the original article from nacion.com here, although it's translated from Spanish to English, I think: http://tinyurl.com/36sdcj Scott Tom and Oscar's new wife (above) were also on that plane with him. - There have also been references to Scott Tom now living and/or operating/pulling strings out of Panama. Oscar may be there too, evidenced by this page which appears to be a list of individuals granted residency status by the government of Panama, and has a listing for two Americans named "Oscar Hilt Tatum IV" and "Oscar Hilt Tatum III" for April 9th, 2007. (Note that their records don't have any listing for Scott Tom, at least not since Sept 2005 when the database begins.) Absolute's Statement:"HILT TATUM IS COMPLETLEY UNCONECTED WITH THIS CASE - HE HAS NEVER BEEN THE CFO - HIS WIFE AND FAMILY ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS INVESTIGATION - THE COMPANY IS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING - I URGE YOU TO CONTACT THE MODS AND HAVE ALL PICTURES REMOVED - PLEASE TRY AND HELP THIS BEYOND THE CALL - AND THEY ARE AS INNOCENT AS ANYONE. " WILLIAM WILLIS MCMANON - Frat allum from 1995 The speculation is that William McManon might be the user of the account "MCBill." MCBILL won a $100,000 dream package on absolute after little tournament play on the website. There are active McBill accounts at Full Tilt and PokerStars. SHANE ALAN BLACKFORD - 1997 SAE Montana Allum. Shane is the administrative contact for Innovative Data Solutions - a Costa Rican Company somehow related to Absoulte Poker. Shane was also a member of the SAE fraternity. For further information on IDS Technical Consulting and how we can work with you, please contact us. IDS Technical Consulting Oficentro de Sebana San Jose, Costa Rica Telephone - 011-506-520-0525 Email - info@idsworld.net Innovative Data Solutions SBO 306, 7333 NW 54th Street Miami, Florida 33166 United States 6786312244 DAVID CLAINER Senior Vice President at Absolute Poker FRED ROMAN Affiliate Relations Manager for Absolute Poker MARK SEIF Mark seif has huge endorsement deal dating back from when Scott Tom is CEO of AP. Mark Seif has been seen in public with Scott Tom many times. SEIF's QUESTIONABLE SESSION THE ACCOUNTS Most of these account have recently won large buy-in tournaments on Absolute Poker. Many have similar questionable play. Most have played very few tornaments on Absolute before winning a large buy-in event. ---------------------------- USER 363 - Unknown - observed Table of Potripper in 1K win 1. This guy "enters" table 13 at 2007-09-12 21:02:14, which is 2 minutes and 14 seconds after the tourney started. 2. Table 13 is the table which POTRIPPER was playing on 3. He never leaves the table, which means he was observing the table until at least 11:20 PM EST (at least, that's how I understand this) 4. His IP address is based in Costa Rica. 5. This is the most damning. He is user id 363 at AP. That means he was created in the system very very early on. Most of these user ids are in the 6 or 7 figures. The guy who was on the same IP as the user 363 had his email set to an email that is hosted by Kahnawake Gaming Commission. Absolute's statement:"The results of that investigation indicated that to the best of Absolute Poker’s knowledge, information and belief there was no security breach. Specifically, Absolute Poker’s internal investigation determined that it is impossible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards." Absolute's 2nd Statement:"Absolute Poker has identified an internal security breach that compromised our systems for a limited period of time." GREYCAT - Crushed High stakes limit games on Absolute. Chip dumped large amounts to SUPERCARDM55. GREYCAT won more that $100,000 in high stakes limit games on Absoulte. Might have never had a losing session. DOUBLEDRAG -DOUBLEDRAG won huge amounts of money in high stakes no-limit games on Absoulte playing nearly every hand. DOUBLEDRAG chip dumped $200k and $300k to Romnaldo (or REYMNALDO) -THESE ARE 3 CONSECUTIVE HANDS where DOUBLEDRAG and ROMNALDO capped every street playing $200/$400 heads-up, only to have DOUBLEDRAG fold for one bet on the river. HERE After cheating story became public DOUBLEDRAG dumped 27k on the tables. STEAMROLLER STEAMROLLER won the $150 buy-in on 8/19/2007 for $20,700. STEAMROLLER also won the $100 buy-in on 8/19/2007 for $1636. Absolute Poker admitted this account belongs to the Absolute Poker staff. Steamroller is linker to Scott Tom. POTRIPPER - won $1K tournament on 9/12/2007 for $30,000. User #2234890 is POTRIPPER in the AP user database. POTRIPPER folded his first couple hands before the 363 observer entered the table... and that's when he started the suspicious activities. .xls file mistakenly sent out by Absoulte support. YOU TUBE OF WIN PAYUP - Won $1K on 8/23/2007 for $35,700. Sheets a well known internet pro commented: "but it was on august22, before the potripper tourney, where I got 2nd to one of the cheating accounts, Payup, in the 1k mtt. I laughed about Payups invincibility throughout the course of the tourney with inissint while on the phone but didnt think anything of it really until 2+2 started looking into the potripper tourney which i THINK occured later. I sent adanthar my hh for the payup tourney and he essentilly confirmed that the same shenanigans were involved and the payup account was also closed by AP." Unconfirmed accounts: OSCAR133 - There was an "Oscar Hilt" at SAE in 1999. 2 tournaments, 1 9 entrants, 1 296, won both, total winnings 38k. OSCAR133 won the $500 buy-in on 10/6/2007 for $37,500. MCBILL There is speculation that this account is linked to another SAE Montana Fraternity brother - WILLIAM WILLIS MCMANON. On 10/7/2007 won $200 buy-in event for $100,000. Montana resident and online poker player "MCBill" probably feels like he's struck gold this week after winning access to a possible over $100 million in online poker tournament prize pool money. Absolute Poker revealed that the online poker player hailing from Helena, Montana has won the 5th Absolute Dream Package on October 7th. |
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The bottom line is:
If leadership is involved, AP can never come forward and acknowledge the truth. An admission of guilt would certainly lead to the immediate end of their business. To expect them to come forward with a totally truthful account of the events is a DREAM that's not going to come true. At this point I think they are just desperately trying to outlast /outsmart the community. At the end of the day AP will no longer be in business. It may happen in a week or it may happen in a month but it's almost certain going to happen, imo... |
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We need a Wire type of message board with names and pictures of everyone all connected with their positions inside the company and who they report to, this is tough to keep track of.
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Has anyone obtained the AP email that implicated the Steamroller account belonging to Scott Tom? I thought it would get into And/Nats/DDs hands pretty quickly, but that doesn't seemed to have happened?
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One of the most complete articles on the Absolute Poker saga out there.
http://www.egamingtoday.com/Article/...ker/Fraud.html Also includes a great hand by hand analysis: http://www.egamingtoday.com/Article/...yAnalysis.html Digg it if you like it, I think its a good comprehensive writeup for people who aren't on 2+2 nor P5s. |
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sorry about the wrongful Mohawk info. I got too excited about.
But concerning the pics. and other leads, I don't think it hurts a bit to brainstorm on this stuff. Obviously some great connections have been found that way; conversely, if something doesn't "fit" it's usually shot down pretty quickly (ex.: my Mohawk- NYSE info.) also: pretty cool that AP is pitching fits now, LOL. |
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pokerstud AA, a few errors:
1) Oscar Hilt is actually Oscar Hilt Tatum. 2) POTSLAMMER is a 2+2 account that spammed about AP on the 21st of August. It was Costa Rica based, and has an eerily similar name to POTRIPPER. It is thought that POTRIPPER and POTSLAMMER belong to AJ Green. 3) STEAMROLLER was seen dumping over 100k to SUPERCARDM55. |
Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
Like others, I find it amusing when a company that blatently lies to its defrauded customers and tries to hide their entire operation from view gets upset at people digging stuff up. Here's a hint, if your actions are resulting in your friends getting caught in the crossfire, maybe you should rethink your actions.
AP - why not post your org structure and changes to it dating back to inception along with all major company filings? Just the stuff that would be on record if you were a public company, nothing propreitary. Personally, I would just like to see of a list of every entity (person and company) that has equity in AP or receives any compensation directly proportional to corporate revenue or profits. Or, you could just keep working on your next statement trying to release as little information/propaganda/lies as possible to disperse the angry mob. How's that been working for you so far? KGC might think about something similar. I don't think the barriers to entry of the server farm are that high, and right now AP is tainting more than just their own image, rightly or wrongly. |
Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
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Has anyone obtained the AP email that implicated the Steamroller account belonging to Scott Tom? I thought it would get into And/Nats hands pretty quickly, but that doesn't seemed to have happened? [/ QUOTE ] supposedly it's on its way to me. |
Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
I don't believe anyone was going after Hilt in the last thread. The existance of the wedding pics created a sense that Scott's pic would be found there. I think we were right.
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Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
Another point, how long do you think it will take all of the online poker sites to implement a policy that strictly prohibits their employees from playing on the site?
In retrospect nothing good can come from the leadership playing on a site that they control. Whether true or not there is almost certainly going to be an instance where someone feels like they were cheated. |
Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
I have a quasi-statement from AP. This is coming from a phone call, so don't quote me exactly.
-------- AP has secured notarized statements from the person who perpetrated this crime. He confessed to a number of accounts that he did this with. He was a highly trusted consultant of the company and it is very possible that he could have played from Scott's house when Scott was not there. He used 3rd party software and did this from a number of locations in the world not limited to Costa Rica. AP also says they have proof that Oscar, Scott and Brent are not associated with this (my note: he did not mention AJ, but I didn't remember to ask him for clarification). AP also says they would like to invite any trusted 2p2 or P5er (b/c Adam Small is in Costa Rica) to come into the office and view the details/data for OSCAR133. |
Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
Re: Oscar133:
This is the list of people who cashed in the tourney: 1. OSC3AR133 $37,500 2. PEBS44 $24,000 3. RIDETHEWAVE $16,650 4. THISTLE66 $12,000 5. INDASTREETS $9,000 6. DIVER1 $6,750 7. GOB1111 $5,250 8. MAUISPORT $3,900 9. HARATM $2,550 10. WILLBIGZZ $1,800 11. ONEMOORTIME $1,800 12. BOWLME4LOOT $1,800 13. ADOMIP $1,800 14. 2BADFORYOU $1,800 15. HEC2007 $1,800 16. JAMESCLEMENT $1,800 17. NUMBER40 $1,800 18. THECREAM $1,800 19. BIRDMAN186 $1,050 20. DUCESWILDER $1,050 21. LELIK $1,050 22. JAKZ101POKER $1,050 23. LEARNEREM $1,050 24. IAMNEXT007 $1,050 25. POCKET PUKE $1,050 26. REALGREEN $1,050 27. LUNEY33 $1,050 28. MRALMIGHTY $750 29. CUDDIGAN7 $750 30. BOOJUS $750 31. WAITSEY21 $750 32. HASMIKZ111 $750 33. BN4270 $750 34. THEKID2004 $750 35. DOMINANT00 $750 36. TASDRON61 $750 Somebody who knows any of these people, get on the phone/IM and look for someone with a tournament summary. You will want to know how Oscar played this FT. |
Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
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it doesn't seem like the truth should take this long. [/ QUOTE ] and the truth doesn't need to be crafted either. gg |
Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
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One of the most complete articles on the Absolute Poker saga out there. http://www.egamingtoday.com/Article/...ker/Fraud.html Also includes a great hand by hand analysis: http://www.egamingtoday.com/Article/...yAnalysis.html Digg it if you like it, I think its a good comprehensive writeup for people who aren't on 2+2 nor P5s. [/ QUOTE ] They accidentally identify Scott Tom as "Tom Green" on page 1 |
Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
It seems like AP was worried about something with such a quick response to please take them down and Hilt was not involved. There have been pics posted of many other people and huge speculations in the past few days on the thread and there was never a comment from AP (At least that I know of). It is just funny they were bothered so quickly.
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Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
It's just the Walter Rea/ Sunrise excuse all over again.
Surely they know we've seen this before? <font color="white"> Lori </font> |
Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
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It seems like AP was worried about something with such a quick response to please take them down and Hilt was not involved. There have been pics posted of many other people and huge speculations in the past few days on the thread and there was never a comment from AP (At least that I know of). It is just funny they were bothered so quickly. [/ QUOTE ] I'm pretty sure this has to do with the same reasons Nat was worried about going to CR for, except x 1000. |
Re: AP thread 87.1 - waiting on the statement ITT
I'm going to add into this thread that there appears to be a substantial Miami connection to this group of people and Absolute poker itself.
Brent Beckley, the press releases coming out of there, Steamroller having been known to list that as a play location, and now this new frat guy whose company apparently has a Miami connection. That's all I will say for now on it. I just want it permanently in this thread. |
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