600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

villain is 58/21/2 megafish. I have a note saying that he makes big overbet bluffs, and can do so on multiple streets even. Easy fold? Snap call? I'm totally lost. I have to be right a tonne, but otoh I feel dirty folding in this spot given the board + my read on this donk.


Blinds: $3/$6
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $392.15
Button: $638.20
SB: $926.95
Hero: $702.30

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($21, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $15</font>, UTG calls, Button folds.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($51, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $42</font>, UTG calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($135, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG is all-in $329.15</font>, Hero ________?

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

snap call what jack could he have here except jack ten ? i dont see KQ either

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

He's a 58/21, he could have lots of Jx combos here... This usually is a fold, but your read makes this a very tough call. I'm not sure, I'f im running good I call, running bad I fold.

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

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villain is 58/21/2 megafish. I have a note saying that he makes big overbet bluffs

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insta

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

INSTACALLL

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

Call cause of your read. Without it I fold.

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

I called and got owned by JT - a couple buddies on msn told me they think it's a fold, so I needed some confirmation. Thanks for the input guys.

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

I would have bet the river for value.

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

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I considered it, but decided that this guy would be valuebetting most of the hands he would call a bet with, and I knew that he would turn a busted draw into a bluff a large % of the time (especially on this board when he can rep something). Am I missing something Jam?

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

it would help to know how you got that read, or if you don't remember why, how specifically applicable your notes are in general.

given how hard it is to call an overbet shove here, i would probably just value bet.

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

Why didn't you bet the river? Given his stats this is a simple 3barrel and he would've called with junk pair.

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

i'd overbet flop and turn if hes that retarded, and yeah call river (i like c/c).

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

Openshove river for value?

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I would have bet the river for value.

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yes. bet 2/3-3/4 of pot - fold is easier then too, cause u dont seem so weak...

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I would have bet the river for value.

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I considered it, but decided that this guy would be valuebetting most of the hands he would call a bet with, and I knew that he would turn a busted draw into a bluff a large % of the time (especially on this board when he can rep something). Am I missing something Jam?

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I don't like a river bet at all, even against a half-witted spew monkey it's just too thin, and the times he decides to bluff-raise with a missed draw and you have a really nasty decision, just not worth it. Given your read I think you have to make the crying call.

Also, given how the hand played out, I don't see anything but a J value-betting the river on his part, either.

Edit: Come to think of it, I like a blocking bet of like 72'ish on the river.
Re-edit: LOL nah, I don't, [censored] it just check and go from there.


Kirk

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

I'm really surprised at everyone saying call. I think its a really easy fold and I don't even think about it twice.

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

I'd b/f the river(~85). As played I'd fold, odds are pretty bad. I really don't think he's bluffing enough in this spot, he's representing a draw and he probably doesn't turn too much made hands into a bluff.

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I'd b/f the river(~85). As played I'd fold, odds are pretty bad. I really don't think he's bluffing enough in this spot, he's representing a draw and he probably doesn't turn too much made hands into a bluff.

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The reason I don't like a blocking bet on the river is because there's very, very few J's Hero could reasonably have, and if Villain has the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in his hand that eliminates another one, so I'd be afraid of getting bluff-raised if I bet. River could not be more perfect for a missed draw to bluff at, and given description in OP calling seems fine.

Kirk

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I'd b/f the river(~85). As played I'd fold, odds are pretty bad. I really don't think he's bluffing enough in this spot, he's representing a draw and he probably doesn't turn too much made hands into a bluff.

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The reason I don't like a blocking bet on the river is because there's very, very few J's Hero could reasonably have, and if Villain has the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in his hand that eliminates another one, so I'd be afraid of getting bluff-raised if I bet. River could not be more perfect for a missed draw to bluff at, and given description in OP calling seems fine.

Kirk

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I really like your posts in general but you keep assuming people can read hands when they can't.

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

Yeah I very much agree with Jamougha.. Your HSNL stripes are showing kirk, no way this guy is anywhere near that level of analysis.

Re: 600NL - I check to induce, and look what happens..
 

I call because of your read on big overbet bluffs. Otherwise it's a fold.