The Power of Prayer
 

There's an old saying that goes, "When all else fails, pray". There is a lot of scientific evidence that proves that cancer patients who were prayed for by friends and loved ones often make miraculous recoveries. An example of this is no other than Doyle Brunson who after having been given less two hours to live made an instantaneous recovery from cancer. This was due to a prayer get together that his family organized with a group of friends.

But Doyle was just one of many.

I suggest that we all pray together for the reversal of the evil events that have befallen online poker in the last couple of days. By pooling our energies and intentions during one moment in time, perhaps we can trigger forces in the universe that would create unexpected changes that would shift the winds of fate back in our favor.

On October 4, at exactly 5 p.m. pacific standard time, let us all hold hands (note: since we can't physically hold hands, we can just hold our mouse with our left hands and at the same time put our right hands over our hearts), and with great faith pray to the Creator for some favorable happenings that would stop the tide of evility that has befallen all of us. We don't have to know what specific events would occur. Just that they would occur and that no one would get hurt in the process. Not even the perpetuators of the dastardly deeds.

Remember, the time of this great coming together of all of our souls is exactly on 5 p.m pacific standard time on Oct. 4. NEGATIVE ENERGY PEOPLE (that is, people that do not have faith) ARE NOT INVITED. In fact, they should not even make posts in this thread at all. We don't want negative people sucking our positive energies like vampires do.

I look forward to becoming one with all of you my friends.

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Very good idea.

I will be praying with you at set time.

Anyone else care to hold our hands?

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hahah i don't even know how to respond to this


oh my god

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I suggest that we all pray together for the reversal of the evil events that have befallen online poker in the last couple of days.

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Hallelujah brother.

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oh my god

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You've got it, grab my hand!

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havent you heard that frist is god's right hand man? you are barking up the wrong tree.

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In order for Prayer to be most effective, we'll first have to forgive Frist....... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Dunno if I can do that by tomorrow.... But count me in. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Well he has three stars now, is it connected? :P

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There is no such evidence. Praying does not cure cancer or anything else. Nor is there anything like "positive energy" as you describe.

Instead of asking an invisible all-powerful creature to change his plans, do something useful...engage your fellow humans in discussion on what it means to be free, vote, read some real science books, etc.

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Can we hire NT! as a temporary mod?

I dig his style.

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Some Pig, I predict at least a couple of insulting responses to this post, but I'll try to at least be one positive poster.

I do have faith. The particular faith I have I will keep to myself, but I do agree that appealing to a power higher than ourselves is highly beneficial, especially when done in mass force. For the agnostic, I say, what's the harm? For the atheist, I say, why should you care? If you care enough to ridicule someone for courageously asking faith-based poker players (no matter what religion, sect, or denomination) to combine forces, then you had better look in a mirror. If you find yourself proselytizing a non-belief in the supernatural, you'd better at least admit that you also have a 'belief.' Otherwise, leave us alone.

Doyle Brunson is a good example. If you respect his play but dismiss his essay in Super System 2, you are over-compartmentalizing. In this particular case that lays before us, whether you have faith in anything or not, please don't object to those who do trying a different route.

I say what the hell, October 4th at 5 PM pacific standard time, if you believe in anything at all, let's be humble together as poker players for one moment. What can it hurt except your pride? And if you believe in nothing, then you should also believe that nothing bad can come of this. If you want to argue that point, PM me, but keep your negativity in this forum to yourself.

In any case, this is far better than screaming obscenities or quitting poker. Both of which I have seen explicity or implicitly on 2+2. C'mon guys, this is a crisis, and if you believe in anything, especially in a god who listens, now's the time to ask him for something.

P.S. The caveat is, we should be doing this for far more potent issues as well, in fact more so. But something is better than nothing. If you are impressed by Apollo 13 coming home, remember millions of people gathered PUBLICLY to pray them back. If you want to think its a coincidence, that's perfectly arguable. But don't argue that its inconsequential to our entire existence.

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Can we hire NT! as a temporary mod?

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Who??????

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I say what the hell, October 4th at 5 PM pacific standard time,

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5 PM Pacific =
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right on brother..but i think this thread will turn into ppl bashing christianity and eventually becoming just another religious debate. hopefully im wrong

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Pray in one hand and spit in the other. See which fills up first.

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Some Pig, I predict at least a couple of insulting responses to this post, but I'll try to at least be one positive poster.

I do have faith. The particular faith I have I will keep to myself, but I do agree that appealing to a power higher than ourselves is highly beneficial, especially when done in mass force. For the agnostic, I say, what's the harm? For the atheist, I say, why should you care? If you care enough to ridicule someone for courageously asking faith-based poker players (no matter what religion, sect, or denomination) to combine forces, then you had better look in a mirror. If you find yourself proselytizing a non-belief in the supernatural, you'd better at least admit that you also have a 'belief.' Otherwise, leave us alone.

Doyle Brunson is a good example. If you respect his play but dismiss his essay in Super System 2, you are over-compartmentalizing. In this particular case that lays before us, whether you have faith in anything or not, please don't object to those who do trying a different route.

I say what the hell, October 4th at 5 PM pacific standard time, if you believe in anything at all, let's be humble together as poker players for one moment. What can it hurt except your pride? And if you believe in nothing, then you should also believe that nothing bad can come of this. If you want to argue that point, PM me, but keep your negativity in this forum to yourself.

In any case, this is far better than screaming obscenities or quitting poker. Both of which I have seen explicity or implicitly on 2+2. C'mon guys, this is a crisis, and if you believe in anything, especially in a god who listens, now's the time to ask him for something.

P.S. The caveat is, we should be doing this for far more potent issues as well, in fact more so. But something is better than nothing. If you are impressed by Apollo 13 coming home, remember millions of people gathered PUBLICLY to pray them back. If you want to think its a coincidence, that's perfectly arguable. But don't argue that its inconsequential to our entire existence.

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Wow. Wow. Wow. The one thing Im praying about is that this is a joke post. I try my best not to bump completely BS posts and/or bring political/theological discussion into a forum that should basically be used to inform and discuss Legislature, but I simply cannot stomach this.

If you really feel that appealing to a higher power will help things and you feel the thing we should concentrate on is [censored] internet gambling? For me yes if this never happened my life would benefit in a massive way but I dont think anyone here can really kid themselves that internet gambling is a positive thing for the world other than the fact that people should be able to do what they want with their money as long as it doesnt harm others.

"C'mon guys, this is a crisis, and if you believe in anything, especially in a god who listens, now's the time to ask him for something."

This is a crisis? There are millions of people starving to death right now or dying from viruses or being tortured by oppressive governments and THIS is the time to ask him for something? That is [censored] sick [censored] man.

I really really hope I read this whole thing wrong and this is a joke post because this has to be one of the more laughable things Ive read on the internet, and that says a lot.

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havent you heard that frist is god's right hand man? you are barking up the wrong tree.

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Pure B.S. Just because some moron CLAIMS God's support doesn't mean he's got it. Its time to distinguish between liars and those with integrity. Many believers hate the right wing fundamentalists, and rightly so. The Spanish Inquisition doesn't negate people's true beliefs. People will always use majority opinion to further their own greedy goals, it doesn't mean they represent all religious sects.

I think this argument is appaling. You want to argue withall of Frist's positions, set him up as a piggish hypocrite, but then claim that his proclamations of faith are legitimate? His faith is just as suspect as everything else. Some Christians don't particularly like Falwell, Bush, Frist and the like... but they suffer the fallout. If you want to consider someone's actions suspect, then consider their faith sincerity suspect as well.

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dibbs, you said absolutely nothing of value. Either you are saying that our position as poker players are meaningless, or that if it is meaninful, appealing to a higher power is still meaningless. I agree, there are far more pressing issues to contend with. And, if you had read closely, I already said that in the post you quoted. But it is ridiculous that you, a 2+2 poster who implicitly supported internet gambling all along suddenly get on your high horse about 'all the world's problems.' How about one at a time dude. Are you personally feeding the homeless? If you don't want to pray for something like our 'crisis' in the poker world, I bet you don't want to pray for world hunger either. The only thing laughable here is your apparent contempt for real sincerity.

I think that all who advocate some sort of appeal to a higher power agree that this is a small issue compared to hunger, death, medicare, war, etc... but I think you should give the benefit of the doubt and assume that those who pray for this pray for bigger things as well. I don't know what other religions say, but I know one says to pray for 'our daily bread.' Among all the big things, it says to ask for the little ones too. Disrespect it all you want, but look in a mirror first. Don't play poker if you are gonna turn your back on everyone concerned with it. This is a poker forum, don't belittle the game when you feel like preaching.

P.S. Now that I think of it, its ALREADY obvious that this poker issue is considered by all positive posters here to be a tiny issue in the grand scheme of things. No one has even implictly put it above anything like human rights or education. Just asking people to join with you is a truly innocent request. You are a cynic. If you don't care if poker is taken away from you, fine. Leave this forum. It is, after all, about online gambling.

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I will give you the benifit of doubt and assume this post was a joke.But if you were serious,i will accomidate you,meet you half way.I will pray that you and other christians that feel obligated to force their morals and beliefs on me(see some in our government)will leave me alone to make me own judgements and live my own life.AMENNNNNNNNNNN

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excuse my spelling ....was reading my bible as i typed that wowwwwwwwwwww

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here are millions of people starving to death right now or dying from viruses or being tortured by oppressive governments and THIS is the time to ask him for something? That is [censored] sick [censored] man.

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Okay Dibbs, let's pray for that then. You name the time. If you don't believe in prayer, then what the hell is the point of your negative post? If you do, then why don't you support it? If you think prayer accomplishes nothing, then you have no legitimate argument for where people send their inneffective mutterings. If it accomplishes something, then say so and don't belittle people for trying to use it. If you want to make us all feel bad for not solving every world's problem before trying to keep poker going, then set the example.

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I will give you the benifit of doubt and assume this post was a joke.But if you were serious,i will accomidate you,meet you half way.I will pray that you and other christians that feel obligated to force their morals and beliefs on me(see some in our government)will leave me alone to make me own judgements and live my own life.AMENNNNNNNNNNN

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I don't believe I ever forced my morals on you. Wow, there is a serious misunderstanding in this society. I am a POKER PLAYER who is appalled at the recent legislation. Why are you lumping me with Frist? If you want to break down stereotypes and have a more free, understanding society, start there.

This post isn't a joke. Anyone else who thinks it isn't. Don't respond. So far, all the insulting posts have been illogical.

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I will give you the benifit of doubt and assume this post was a joke.But if you were serious,i will accomidate you,meet you half way.I will pray that you and other christians that feel obligated to force their morals and beliefs on me(see some in our government)will leave me alone to make me own judgements and live my own life.AMENNNNNNNNNNN

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I don't believe I ever forced my morals on you. Wow, there is a serious misunderstanding in this society. I am a POKER PLAYER who is appalled at the recent legislation. Why are you lumping me with Frist? If you want to break down stereotypes and have a more free, understanding society, start there.

This post isn't a joke. Anyone else who thinks it isn't. Don't respond. So far, all the insulting posts have been illogical.

[/ QUOTE ]wasnt talking to you ...and if this isnt a joke im the one insulted

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next time look who i replied to before u run your mouth,thank you

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You guys are going down. I'm going to pray the [censored] out of this [censored] [censored]. God, if you're listening, [censored] [censored] in the [censored] [censored].

Amen.

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wasnt talking to you ...and if this isnt a joke im the one insulted

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My apologies. I guess I misunderstood what you were saying. I still don't think this is a joke. And... I don't understand why it insults you? Could you explain?

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Fair enough , i apologize too if i sounded harsh.

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next time look who i replied to before u run your mouth,thank you

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I think it is terrificly ironic that the religious groups would want this legislation; yet we are praying to stop it.. haha.. Oh man.. This rules..

I'll hold my mouse and pray with you guys, it certainly can't hurt!

The eternal question... Who Would Jesus Bomb?

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hollllllllllllld my hand, I want you to HOOOOOOOLD my HANNNNND

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I didnt think i insulted anyone.Thought i explained my thoughts without doing that.But anyways not getting dragged into a religious debate.Im out,take care everyone.

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hollllllllllllld my hand, I want you to HOOOOOOOLD my HANNNNND

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Hold my mouse!

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here are millions of people starving to death right now or dying from viruses or being tortured by oppressive governments and THIS is the time to ask him for something? That is [censored] sick [censored] man.

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Okay Dibbs, let's pray for that then. You name the time. If you don't believe in prayer, then what the hell is the point of your negative post? If you do, then why don't you support it? If you think prayer accomplishes nothing, then you have no legitimate argument for where people send their inneffective mutterings. If it accomplishes something, then say so and don't belittle people for trying to use it. If you want to make us all feel bad for not solving every world's problem before trying to keep poker going, then set the example.

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If we are to go down this road of discussion Ben, the thread should be moved to another forum, if it shouldnt have been already. I apologize for my outburst, it was a gut reaction.

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next time look who i replied to before u run your mouth,thank you

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I think it is terrificly ironic that the religious groups would want this legislation; yet we are praying to stop it.. haha.. Oh man.. This rules..

I'll hold my mouse and pray with you guys, it certainly can't hurt!

The eternal question... Who Would Jesus Bomb?

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This is what I talked about in my other posts. The 'religious groups' you speak of are institutions that have conglomerated financial and warped faith principles into a terrible whole. Do you really think that all people who have faith agree with this? Do you hate all Christians because Bush is an idiot? C'mon guys. There really is nothing wrong with praying against bastardized religious groups. They suck, and many people agree, regardless of their creed.

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If we are to go down this road of discussion Ben, the thread should be moved to another forum, if it shouldnt have been already. I apologize for my outburst, it was a gut reaction.

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I must admit that I am guilty of 'gut reactions' here too. I suppose I was just surprised by the negative responses to what I felt was at worst an innocent gesture. No hard feelings I hope, and I apologize for my own harsh words.

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call me pessimistic, but i would like to see this scientific evidence.

btw dibs on the cure for cancer if its true..... im gonna be rich!

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I think God has more important things to worry about then whether we can gamble on the internet or not. I don't mean to sound harsh OP but this thread just show's how small minded some American's are when it comes to issues in the world around them. Wouldn't you feel guilty praying for something like this?

Not that I don't want to be able to play online poker of course...

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I will hold my mouse at 5pm you're not alone.

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I will break your neck and pour jelly all over your body and PRAY TO THE GODS OF JELLY TO BURN YOUR SOUL IN A JELLY-LIKE HELL. Now GET THE JELLY!

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I say what the hell, October 4th at 5 PM pacific standard time,

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no. the earth rotates the OTHER way.

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I say what the hell, October 4th at 5 PM pacific standard time,

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no. the earth rotates the OTHER way.

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I'm sorry but this immediately made me think of this:

Vince, Eric, Turtle and Drama look out towards the Pacific Ocean at the sun setting

Turtle: What direction is that?
Drama: That's east, you idiot.
Eric: It's west, idiot.
Drama: [Pauses, thinking] Well, i mean, in New York, its east.