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PokerFink 11-15-2007 06:54 AM

PokerFink\'s NFC Rankings (Week 10)
 
My apologies for last week - I was in Los Angeles checking out the cash games at the Commerce, which are as amazing as advertised. Not much happened last week in the rankings - the top seven remained unchanged, while New Orleans vaulted into the eight spot, moving Carolina and Arizona down one spot each. Minnesota and Chicago also flip-flopped, but they flip-flopped back this week. So that's what happened from Week 8 to Week 9, and then the movement this week represents from Week 9 to Week 10.

Disclaimer: My rankings are NOT a traditional power rankings. They are projective, meaning we are ranking based on where teams will finish. Rankings are done based on the playoff guidelines, meaning the division winners get the top four seeds. For a full explanation, please see this post. Also, when I list a team's NFL rank, it's based on DVOA unless otherwise noted.


</font>[/b]<font color="blue"> 1. DALLAS (8-1) </font><font color="red"> </font>: There's always talk on this board about the fungibility of running backs - and in all honesty, I thought it applied to wide receivers as well. But the more I watch Terrell Owens and Randy Moss (or watch the Colts without Harrison and Clark), the more I realize that isn't true. The NFL is a passing league, and a dominant receiver makes a world of difference. As good as Brian Westbrook is, the best year the Eagles had was with Terrell Owens. So kudos to TO for being on good behavior and putting up a monster season. <font color="purple"> NEXT: vs. Washington.

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<font color="blue"> 2. GREEN BAY (8-1) </font><font color="red"> </font>: Green Bay's problem all year has been the running game, so you would expect them to really get shut down on the ground against Minnesota, right? Wrong. Enter Ryan Grant, an undrafted rookie from Notre Dame, who racked up 119 yards and a touchdown on 25 carries against the league's third best rush defense. <font color="purple"> NEXT: vs. Carolina.

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<font color="blue"> 3. TAMPA BAY (5-4) </font><font color="red"> </font>: Not a bad week for Tampa: sit back, enjoy the late bye, and watch Carolina lose to Atlanta and New Orleans lose to St. Louis. <font color="purple"> NEXT: @ Atlanta.

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<font color="blue"> 4. SEATTLE (5-4) </font><font color="red"> </font>: Ok, so maybe Maurice Morris (28 - 87 - 3.1avg - 1td - 1fum) isn't much better than Alexander, but he certainly isn't any worse. <font color="purple"> NEXT: vs. Chicago.



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<font color="blue"> 5. NEW YORK (6-3) </font><font color="red"> </font>: New York's great pass rush (ranked 2nd in the NFL) is the only thing covering up the week secondary. But it's not as effective against a mobile quarterback like Tony Romo. Neutralize the pass rush, and you neutralize the New York defense. <font color="purple"> NEXT: @ Detroit.

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<font color="blue"> 6. WASHINGTON (5-4) </font><font color="red"> </font>: The offense moved effectively, utilizing a nice mix of runs, short throws and play action. Jason Campbell (23/34 - 215 - 3 - 0) looked great, and even got the wide receivers involved. They finally threw the ball in the red zone and converted touchdowns. But it was the defense that let them down - the Skins simply had no answer for Brian Westbrook. <font color="purple"> NEXT: @ Dallas.



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<font color="blue"> 7. DETROIT (6-3) </font><font color="red"> </font>: Aveion Cason: 1 carry, 1 yard. TJ Duckett: 1 carry, 0 yards. Jon Kitna: 1 carry, 0 yards. Kevin Jones: 4 carries, -4 yards (and a touchdown!). Shaun McDonald: 1 carry, -15 yards, and a fumble. Ladies and Gentleman, the 2007 Detroit Lions Running Game. <font color="purple"> NEXT: vs. New York Giants.

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<font color="blue"> 8. ARIZONA (4-5) </font><font color="red"> *UP 2* </font>: Not only to fantasy owners have to deal with goal-line running backs, now they have to deal with goal-line quarterbacks. Over the past two games, Tim Rattay is 2/2 for 3 yards and 2 touchdowns. By the way, with Atlanta, St. Louis and San Francisco remaining on the schedule, Arizona has a real chance to turn this season into something. <font color="purple"> NEXT: @ Cincinnati.

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<font color="blue"> 9. NEW ORLEANS (4-5) </font><font color="red"> *DOWN 1* </font>: Just how bad is the pass defense? According to PAR, Marc Bulger's performance ranked as the third best of the week, behind only Favre and McNabb. But when you adjust for opponent (DPAR), Bulger's performance drops all the way to 10th, after Quinn Gray and Joey Harrington. Overall, the Saints rank 31st against the pass - only the Jets are worse. In fact, they're so bad, they're significantly worse than Cleveland. <font color="purple"> NEXT: @ Houston.

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<font color="blue"> 10. PHILADELPHIA (4-5) </font><font color="red"> *UP 1* </font>: It was a vintage day for Donovan McNabb, who ran the ball five times for 39 yards. Four of his five runs converted a first down, and the other was a valuable 9-yard gain on first down. Also, kudos to Andy Reid for going for it on 4th and inches from the Eagles own 39 in the 3rd quarter. We all know this should be standard, but it's not, and Reid deserves credit for the gamble because it's his head on the chopping block if it fails. The Eagles converted and went on to score a touchdown on the drive. <font color="purple"> NEXT: vs. Miami.

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<font color="blue"> 11. CAROLINA (4-5) </font><font color="red"> *DOWN 2* </font>: Every few weeks, someone unexpected puts up a big stat line. Sometimes, it's a predictor of future success (see: Derek Anderson). Usually, it's not. Which brings us to Vinny Testaverde. In his first game (week 6 against Arizona), Vinny was 20/33 - 203 - 1td - 0int. In his last two games, Vinny was 25/48 - 235 - 0 - 0. We all knew Carolina would struggle with their second half schedule, but the easy spots against the likes of Atlanta and San Francisco were supposed to keep them in the hunt. So much for that. <font color="purple"> NEXT: @ Green Bay.

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<font color="blue"> 12. CHICAGO (4-5) </font><font color="red"> *UP 1* </font>: Sexy Rexy unleashing the dragon to Berrian - oh what a sight for sore eyes. With Griese hurt, the Bears will turn to Rexy full time, although Lovie swears that the decision is less about Griese's injury and more about "playing the quarterback that gives us the best chance to win." Like I need to comment on that. <font color="purple"> NEXT: @ Seattle.

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<font color="blue"> 13. MINNESOTA (3-6) </font><font color="red"> *DOWN 1* </font>: Get healthy soon, Mr. ROY. By the way, has anyone else heard Rich Eisen say Adrian Peterson? Adrian PUHHHHHHHHHH-ETERSON. Love that. <font color="purple"> NEXT: vs. Oakland.

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<font color="blue"> 14. ATLANTA (3-6) </font><font color="red"> </font>: Joey Harrington completed 19 of 26 passes for 192 yards and the game winning touchdown with 20 seconds left, giving Atlanta a two game winning streak. And what did all of that earn him? A spot on the bench. Atlanta will turn to Byron Leftwich again this week, even though Leftwich has shown nothing in limited time this year. More evidence that Atlanta is tanking? <font color="purple"> NEXT: vs. Tampa Bay.

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<font color="blue"> 15. ST. LOUIS (1-8) </font><font color="red"> *UP 1* </font>: With San Fran up next, can you say, two game winning streak? <font color="purple"> NEXT: @ San Francisco.

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<font color="blue"> 16. SAN FRANCISCO (2-7) </font><font color="red"> *DOWN 1* </font>: A few weeks ago, I made a poll asking the worst team in football. I included the Niners, which prompted someone to ask if it was a joke. I don't think anyone is laughing now. I've been saying it for weeks now - this is the worst team in football. EDIT: San Fran is so [censored] bad, they're dogs this week. At home. Against a 1-8 team. <font color="purple">[b] NEXT: vs. St. Louis.

bottomset 11-15-2007 07:03 AM

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this is the worst team in football.

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at least they have a top5 draft pick to look forward too

oh wait ...

Fonkey123 11-15-2007 07:10 AM

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dukemagic 11-15-2007 07:14 AM

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haha that reminds of this article about rex grossman. absolutely hilarious.

BigCummins 11-15-2007 07:25 AM

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nicely color coordinated

vixticator 11-15-2007 07:27 AM

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Interesting note about the Lions is they are undefeated at home, 4-0 in the division, and have been pwned on the road vs non-division opponents that did not start Josh McCown at QB who played wide reciever for the Lions last year, lol.

Franchise 60 11-15-2007 07:40 AM

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Interesting note about the Lions is they are undefeated at home, 4-0 in the division, and have been pwned on the road vs non-division opponents that did not start Josh McCown at QB who played wide reciever for the Lions last year, lol.

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I hate the fact the Giants are going into Detroit this weekend.

dlk9s 11-15-2007 08:56 AM

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With the Rams' offense starting to get healthy, I wouldn't be surprised if they won a few more games.

Kneel B4 Zod 11-15-2007 09:06 AM

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But the more I watch Terrell Owens and Randy Moss (or watch the Colts without Harrison and Clark),

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keep in mind your talking about TO, Moss, and Harrison, 3 of the best WR's ever. it's probably easy to replace average-ish guys, but guys like these, at any position, are hard to replace/will add value to any team

kyro 11-15-2007 11:17 AM

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With the Rams' offense starting to get healthy, I wouldn't be surprised if they won a few more games.

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I like how the Rams started the season sucking, got hurt, sucked, and now getting healthy, people think this is a decent team. I don't mean you, specifically, because I do think they can win a couple more games as well, but this is still a pretty bad team.

Kneel B4 Zod 11-15-2007 11:24 AM

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With the Rams' offense starting to get healthy, I wouldn't be surprised if they won a few more games.

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I like how the Rams started the season sucking, got hurt, sucked, and now getting healthy, people think this is a decent team. I don't mean you, specifically, because I do think they can win a couple more games as well, but this is still a pretty bad team.

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this weeks game against SF is a big one. then they play home vs Atlanta...winnable game. then they play @ Arizona in a meaingless game for both teams, so anything could happen. so yeah 3-13 could happen

Semtex 11-15-2007 11:50 AM

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With the Rams' offense starting to get healthy, I wouldn't be surprised if they won a few more games.

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I like how the Rams started the season sucking, got hurt, sucked, and now getting healthy, people think this is a decent team. I don't mean you, specifically, because I do think they can win a couple more games as well, but this is still a pretty bad team.

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Well one reason they sucked from the beginning is because they were hurt from the beginning. Losing Pace in the first half of the first game was pretty key. They've managed to score 20+ points only three times this season. If they could keep scoring 25+ a game there is an off chance they finish the final stretch 4-3. This would involve beating the 9ers and Falcons, beating either Cincy or Arizona away and finally the Steelers if they have their playoff picture locked up in week 16.

kyro 11-15-2007 12:13 PM

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Well one reason they sucked from the beginning is because they were hurt from the beginning. Losing Pace in the first half of the first game was pretty key.

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Uh yeah, well, Pace is still out. This team, with Bulger and SJax, is pretty much the same team that started the year, and they weren't good then, either.

Tyler Durden 11-15-2007 12:22 PM

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Interesting note about the Lions is they are undefeated at home, 4-0 in the division, and have been pwned on the road vs non-division opponents that did not start Josh McCown at QB who played wide reciever for the Lions last year, lol.

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I hate the fact the Giants are going into Detroit this weekend.

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That should be a really good game but I expect the Giants D-Line to have a field day.

dkgojackets 11-15-2007 12:22 PM

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STL will finish with more wins than Carolina. The Panthers may not win another game.

GBP04 11-15-2007 12:53 PM

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good rankings.

kyro 11-15-2007 12:59 PM

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STL will finish with more wins than Carolina. The Panthers may not win another game.

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Prop bet? STL isn't going to go 4-3, and Carolina isn't going to go 0-7.

Assani Fisher 11-15-2007 02:19 PM

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I'd move Detroit over Washington and Chicago over Carolina for sure and maybe even over Philly. Otherwise agree with everything. Its funny...I want to move Carolina down even more, but theres really nobody else to put over them. Oh and great call on Sf earlier.

99,461 and counting

kyro 11-15-2007 03:14 PM

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I'd move Detroit over Washington and Chicago over Carolina for sure and maybe even over Philly.


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LOL at Chicago over Philly. Good one.

Philly has 3-4 wins left on their schedule. Probably closer to 3.

Chicago has maybe 2.

GBP04 11-15-2007 03:19 PM

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one complaint - if these are actually projective rankings, I think you have to put teams like Philly and New Orleans above Detroit. Detroit's schedule from here on in is absolutely ridiculous, and I'd be pretty surprised to see them win more than two games. Philly and NO have a better chance to finish above .500.

Artdogg 11-15-2007 03:23 PM

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I'm so excited.

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i nearly choked on a wheat thin

Assani Fisher 11-15-2007 04:04 PM

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I'd move Detroit over Washington and Chicago over Carolina for sure and maybe even over Philly.


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LOL at Chicago over Philly. Good one.

Philly has 3-4 wins left on their schedule. Probably closer to 3.

Chicago has maybe 2.

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Maybe 2???

Set the line at 2. I take over, you take under. 2 is a push. Bet?

99,420 and counting

kyro 11-15-2007 04:37 PM

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Even if I believe that statement, it's still a bad bet for me. That statement doesn't say "Chicago will win 0 or 1 games more often than they win 3-7 games."

(I'd rather bet with you on Eagles finishing with more wins than the Bears.)

SL__72 11-15-2007 04:59 PM

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I'd move Detroit over Washington and Chicago over Carolina for sure and maybe even over Philly.


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LOL at Chicago over Philly. Good one.

Philly has 3-4 wins left on their schedule. Probably closer to 3.

Chicago has maybe 2.

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Maybe 2???

Set the line at 2. I take over, you take under. 2 is a push. Bet?

99,420 and counting

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I'd take the under on 3, but 2 is definitely a bad bet. If I could get +110 on under 2.5 I think I'd take it.

Triumph36 11-15-2007 05:02 PM

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good work as always PF.

kyro 11-15-2007 05:05 PM

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I'd move Detroit over Washington and Chicago over Carolina for sure and maybe even over Philly.


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LOL at Chicago over Philly. Good one.

Philly has 3-4 wins left on their schedule. Probably closer to 3.

Chicago has maybe 2.

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Maybe 2???

Set the line at 2. I take over, you take under. 2 is a push. Bet?

99,420 and counting

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I'd take the under on 3, but 2 is definitely a bad bet. If I could get +110 on under 2.5 I think I'd take it.

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I agree. I probably should have said "most likely" and not "maybe", because I think 2 is the most likely win total the remainder of the year. They're most likely only going to be favored in two of those games (vs. Denver, vs. NO), and those will be close.

yeotaJMU 11-15-2007 05:23 PM

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my favorite part about your rankings every week is that i get to read about how good dallas is...

mmm tony romo

PokerFink 11-15-2007 05:26 PM

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STL will finish with more wins than Carolina. The Panthers may not win another game.

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Prop bet? STL isn't going to go 4-3, and Carolina isn't going to go 0-7.

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Yeah I'll take action on Carolina finishing ahead of St. Louis. Carolina also still has San Fran on the schedule.

kyro 11-15-2007 05:28 PM

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STL will finish with more wins than Carolina. The Panthers may not win another game.

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Prop bet? STL isn't going to go 4-3, and Carolina isn't going to go 0-7.

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Yeah I'll take action on Carolina finishing ahead of St. Louis. Carolina also still has San Fran on the schedule.

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GTFO. This is my trick, whore.

BillNye 11-15-2007 05:31 PM

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1 Cowboys
2 Giants
3 Packers
4 Saints

Too much hate on Giants + Saints.

PokerFink 11-15-2007 05:32 PM

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I'd move Detroit over Washington

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Every week I think about this and every week I decide that Washington is still the better team and still has the tiebreaker over them.

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and Chicago over Carolina for sure and maybe even over Philly.

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I can see Chicago over Carolina, I did consider that. They're really close. The playoff odds report have them both at 6.5 estimated wins. I don't see Chicago over Philly. Philly is a much better team, and by comparison has 7.4 estimated wins.

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Oh and great call on Sf earlier.

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LOL which one? When I called them a wildcard team at the beginning of the year or called them the worst team in the league after like 5-6 weeks? =)

dkgojackets 11-15-2007 05:35 PM

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STL will finish with more wins than Carolina. The Panthers may not win another game.

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Prop bet? STL isn't going to go 4-3, and Carolina isn't going to go 0-7.

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Yeah I'll take action on Carolina finishing ahead of St. Louis. Carolina also still has San Fran on the schedule.

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GTFO. This is my trick, whore.

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Bad wording on my part. I meant that they will win more games the rest of the season.

PokerFink 11-15-2007 05:35 PM

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one complaint - if these are actually projective rankings, I think you have to put teams like Philly and New Orleans above Detroit. Detroit's schedule from here on in is absolutely ridiculous, and I'd be pretty surprised to see them win more than two games. Philly and NO have a better chance to finish above .500.

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Detroit's schedule is brutal, no doubt, but that's not a bad football team. They should beat KC at home and there's no reason they can't steal another home game against either Green Bay or New York. That's 8 wins right there.

The rankings are projective, sure, but it's pretty hard to project a 4-5 team as winning more games than a 6-3 team. If any of those teams catch Detroit, it's probably Arizona.

dlk9s 11-15-2007 05:37 PM

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1 Cowboys
2 Giants
3 Packers
4 Saints

Too much hate on Giants + Saints.

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Methinks you don't understand how these rankings work.

Claunchy 11-15-2007 05:38 PM

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1 Cowboys
2 Giants
3 Packers
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Too much hate on Giants + Saints.

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Methinks you don't understand how these rankings work.

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Maybe if OP would post how the rankings work so we would all kno.....oh.

dkgojackets 11-15-2007 05:38 PM

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1 Cowboys
2 Giants
3 Packers
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Too much hate on Giants + Saints.

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Methinks you don't understand how these rankings work.

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who reads disclaimers?

PokerFink 11-15-2007 05:39 PM

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my favorite part about your rankings every week is that i get to read about how good dallas is...

mmm tony romo

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*sigh*

My favorite part of the rankings used to be writing about how good the Eagles were. Oh well.

*sigh*

PokerFink 11-15-2007 05:39 PM

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Too much hate on Giants + Saints.

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You do mean the same Saints that got torched by St. Louis this week, right?

Ok just checking.

PokerFink 11-15-2007 05:42 PM

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Methinks you don't understand how these rankings work.

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Maybe if OP would post how the rankings work so we would all kno.....oh.

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kyro 11-15-2007 06:12 PM

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Bad wording on my part. I meant that they will win more games the rest of the season.

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Yeah, I could see that. Man, Panthers have a brutal schedule. They should beat SF, but other than that, the worst team left on their schedule is Seattle. Yeesh.


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