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cking 03-01-2007 02:53 AM

First underground card room trip report
 
So tonight a friend of mine told me about a friend of his was hosting a 1/2nl game. For most college kids this is pretty high stakes so i was skeptical but said i'd come. I was even more skeptical when he said there is supposedly 2 full tables most times they play. So i come along and bring 2 buyins and figure thats plenty for a fun night.

We arrive at the location of the game and i already have my suspicions confirmed that this is not a normal home game. We arrive at a bar. Then we go back around behind the bar with his friend, he knocks on the door and we're let in and then there is a magnetized door after this. Now those supicions are fact, we are at an underground card room. So we head in and there are 2 tables with dealers, 1 real nice one and another for the side action while waiting on a seat.

We put our names on the list for the main table and sit down at the side game. Me and my pal both buy in for $200 the rest of the table bought in for $100. This was huge for my confidence, im a decent player but was worried that the kind of people who know about and attend an underground cardroom in a small city would have to be pretty solid players right? Obviously not. The side table is pretty tight but i have 2 big hands vs a friend one involving AQ vs KQ on Qxx flop, he raises i reraise and makes a solid laydown. Nothing much happens for the next half hour till i pick up 77 in mp. Normally id raise but it wouldnt thin the 2 limpers infront so i just limp and set mine. Flop comes 77T. Talk about set mining gone good. There are 4 players in the hand and it checks around. Turn is an 8 and my friend bets out 12, 1 other calls and I call. River is a K, my friend bets 28, other guy folds, i reraise allin as he only has about 45 left behind. He calls saying its yours and shows 69 for the strait and i proudly show my quads.

Nothing else happens at the side table but all i hear is "all-in, all-in" at the other table and im pretty psyched. So someone finally leaves and i move on over there with about $380 in chips. I immedietly see the difference and its more like the normal live game you would see at a casino, preflop raises of $12-$20, lots of callers. This game is the definition of juicy. So i mostly sit tight, run good at good times and chip up to around 600. One guy had no clue what the hell he was doing and would raise $40 one hand with A3o and then limp/call another with Q4o. It was UGLY. Another guy was such the definition of calling station it defined logic. My friend would raise to 16 preflop, this guy would call. Flop would come Kc7sjc and we would joke that the guy is on the Spade draw with backdoor wheel draw. My friend would then bet 20 on the flop, turn and river and the guy would call him down and muck T high or some such garbage. No real major hands happen with me (i.e any pot over 100) till the last few orbits when i pick up TT in the sb. 2 limpers in the pot and c/o makes it 15, i reraise to 50, limpers fold c/o calls. Flop comes 893r, i lead out for 85 and he tanks and then goes allin for his last 100. Turn 7 river blank, he says sorry it was his last orbit and he was gambling and shows TJo for the strait. I dont mind his flop play but he really should of folded preflop. So i finish the night a bit later after a few blind raises and what not with 390, for just under 200 profit in 4hours of play.

As far as the players, dealers and room manager they were all extremly nice. All the players had a big laugh, the dealers were nice and knew the game well and there was plenty of free beer and food (they would order anything requested and had sandwhiches and would order pizza every few hours).

Anyway pretty excited I went, was alot of fun and some pretty easy money, already looking forward to going again tomorrow night.

EDIT: also for a laugh at the 1st table one the guys there asked my friend if this was his first time playing "high stakes" b/c of some play he made to which he replied. Well besides traveling and playing WPT events and my normal 5/10 games, yeah sure.

spino1i 03-01-2007 05:49 AM

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its too bad at my level of stakes (10/20 NL) home games/underground games arent really an option anymore due to the sketchiness factor. I do miss them though.

Out of curiosity, what was the rake in the game?

KidLifeCrisis 03-01-2007 06:05 AM

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Out of curiosity, what was the rake in the game?

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I was gonna ask this too. How's it compare to a live game at a casino? What else is different/unexpected?

cking 03-01-2007 12:30 PM

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Rake wasn't too bad, they took 4 out of any pot over 30 i believe, but most the pots were so big you didnt notice, and $1 of that went to the Bad beat jackpot. As far as different from a normal casino, well here is another story from early in the night that i thought was funny.

Guy sitting in seat 2 at the waiting table is pretty good and an obvious regular. He is a young black guy wearing gucci sunglasses and has a big diamond ear ring. Partway thru the game he gets a phone call and i hear him saying the following "well check the weapons locker, I know my M16 is there and there should be yours and 2 female M16s..." I'm going oh [censored] this is some gang leader and if i put a bad beat on him he's going to shoot me.

Well after the conversation he pulls out some printed sheets of paper and im in seat 4 so i lean in close to see what is on them, "Drill Sargent Training Test 2". The guy was in the army. Semi-racist profile by me i guess, but it was what i expected in an underground cardroom.

Other different things include they were nice about not calling string bets or slow rolls, as the players just didnt know what they were doing and they would only call it if they thought they were being clever and trying to intentionally trick the other player. Also the players loved showing their cards after hands, nothing like showing you called an 8x bb raise preflop, another 15x bb raise on the flop then went allin on the turn with your J7o. It was funny when they would make that move with no FE, me or my friend calls and they muck before the river is even dealt.

Not sure whatelse i can say is different, the whole atmosphere is, the players on whole are probably a bit worse here as this is their only live experience (and poker in general, i asked most all if they played online, the standard answer was it's rigged/i dont know how). Anyway I'm going back tonight, hoping to earn the rest of this months rent. Wish me luck

lowpockets 03-01-2007 09:11 PM

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"well check the weapons locker, I know my M16 is there and there should be yours and 2 female M16s..." I'm going oh [censored] this is some gang leader and if i put a bad beat on him he's going to shoot me.

Well after the conversation he pulls out some printed sheets of paper and im in seat 4 so i lean in close to see what is on them, "Drill Sargent Training Test 2". The guy was in the army.


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lol - i find it extremely hard to believe he was in the army - but cool/funny story nonetheless. where they serving alcohol at this game btw?

Frond 03-01-2007 09:36 PM

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Good read. NH

willie 03-01-2007 09:46 PM

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Rake wasn't too bad, they took 4 out of any pot over 30 i believe, but most the pots were so big you didnt notice, and $1 of that went to the Bad beat jackpot. As far as different from a normal casino, well here is another story from early in the night that i thought was funny.

Guy sitting in seat 2 at the waiting table is pretty good and an obvious regular. He is a young black guy wearing gucci sunglasses and has a big diamond ear ring. Partway thru the game he gets a phone call and i hear him saying the following "well check the weapons locker, I know my M16 is there and there should be yours and 2 female M16s..." I'm going oh [censored] this is some gang leader and if i put a bad beat on him he's going to shoot me.

Well after the conversation he pulls out some printed sheets of paper and im in seat 4 so i lean in close to see what is on them, "Drill Sargent Training Test 2". The guy was in the army. Semi-racist profile by me i guess, but it was what i expected in an underground cardroom.


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a few of my local games, this would be spoken by one of the drug dealers- but you'd come to find out they're some of the nicest guys around (but i wouldn't cross them....ever)

Durs522 03-02-2007 01:58 AM

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its too bad at my level of stakes (10/20 NL) home games/underground games arent really an option anymore due to the sketchiness factor. I do miss them though.

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This definitely depends on where you live/who you know. There are many private/home games out there in the 10/25-25/50 level.

Dan. 03-02-2007 02:18 AM

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There's a bad beat jackpot in an underground card room? heh.

TheStation 03-02-2007 02:51 AM

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There's a bad beat jackpot in an underground card room? heh.

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Odds are they will never have to pay it so its putting a bad beat on the game and an extra $1/hand, i like it

Durs522 03-02-2007 03:09 AM

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There's a bad beat jackpot in an underground card room? heh.

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Odds are they will never have to pay it so its putting a bad beat on the game and an extra $1/hand, i like it

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Why would you say that? The bad beat at a game I know of was paid 3 or 4 times in the past year and a half. Each time it was over $10K.

cking 03-02-2007 04:51 AM

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Well went back again tonight and few things.

The army guy was wearing his fatigues, there is a big base 2miles away, im pretty certain of it now. Also 2+2er MDoranD was there on my direct left. Sadly he did not have a great night, first losing with AQ on an Axx 2 spade board when a guy shoved his JTs and hit on the turn. Then later me him and my friend decide to get into a minraising battle where MDoranD hits the strait and my gets it allin on the turn vs my pal who had 2 pair and river'd the boat. But on the plus side i cashed out for $450. The game wasnt nearly as great as last night but the play was still horrible. MDoranD told me about another game in town so im hoping to check it out soon.

As for the BBJ they take $1 out of the raked money every $100, last night they added $71 to the BBJ meaning there was about $7100 raked the night before, not a bad business...

EDIT: oh yeah and there is free beer (all you can drink) and free food which is nice since its best to get there at 7 so you dont need to eat before hand

SpaceAce 03-02-2007 11:02 AM

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Nice story, thanks for posting it. That game sounds like a lot of fun. Free pizza, friendly players, dead money... I live in Las Vegas and I can see skipping the casinos to play in that game.

SpaceAce

lowpockets 03-02-2007 12:13 PM

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there was about $7100 raked the night before, not a bad business...


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Wow, you are right that ain't bad at all. Especially given the low overhead and the legitimate business up front bringing in even more money.

Also, if that guy you played with was in the Army, his conversation shows that he probably sucks as life and won't be a good drill sergeant haha.

cking 03-02-2007 01:22 PM

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there was about $7100 raked the night before, not a bad business...


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Wow, you are right that ain't bad at all. Especially given the low overhead and the legitimate business up front bringing in even more money.

Also, if that guy you played with was in the Army, his conversation shows that he probably sucks as life and won't be a good drill sergeant haha.

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well actually it was the other guy who lost his m16, but i cant wait to go back tonight, now it's time to win money for spring break...

MDoranD 03-02-2007 01:28 PM

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i should have minraised one last time!!! lol. Good trip report though. CKing if you want to go to the other game on Saturday PM me.

floptoday25 03-03-2007 05:54 PM

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so did you make your spring break money last night?

UbinTook 03-03-2007 07:18 PM

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As for the BBJ they take $1 out of the raked money every $100, last night they added $71 to the BBJ meaning there was about $7100 raked the night before, not a bad business...


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Are you sure that was the figuire for just the previous day?
7100/$4 = 1775 hands
1775/30 hours( 2 tables @15 hours) = 59.17 hands per hour per table.
That is smokin, and the question remains...how long do the games go? I used 15 hours for the sake of example.

GTL 03-03-2007 09:59 PM

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yeah, the net raked seemed very high to me for two tables as well.

Siegmund 03-03-2007 10:51 PM

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First post said $4 per hand of which $1 goes to BBJ... that means $200 in rake. If in fact it's $1 per hundred, then that means $7100 total action for the night, not 7100 taken in rake.

UbinTook 03-04-2007 05:42 AM

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First post said $4 per hand of which $1 goes to BBJ... that means $200 in rake.

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Please explain THAT...

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If in fact it's $1 per hundred, then that means $7100 total action for the night, not 7100 taken in rake.

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Its clear from the original post...
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...they took 4 out of any pot over 30 i believe, but most the pots were so big you didnt notice, and $1 of that went to the Bad beat jackpot.

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In another post, the OP explains...
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As for the BBJ they take $1 out of the raked money every $100, last night they added $71 to the BBJ meaning there was about $7100 raked the night before, not a bad business...


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Since the OP states that the amount contributed to the BBJ is based on the amount RAKED why would you think otherwise? He was there...
Man of these guys are pulling 7100 a night from two tables..
A. they are going to bust these guys out quickly, or
B. The Bankroll is inexhaustable( rich kids?) and they are sitting on a GOLDMINE.

cpitt398 03-04-2007 08:21 AM

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Rake wasn't too bad, they took 4 out of any pot over 30 i believe, but most the pots were so big you didnt notice, and $1 of that went to the Bad beat jackpot. As far as different from a normal casino, well here is another story from early in the night that i thought was funny.

Guy sitting in seat 2 at the waiting table is pretty good and an obvious regular. He is a young black guy wearing gucci sunglasses and has a big diamond ear ring. Partway thru the game he gets a phone call and i hear him saying the following "well check the weapons locker, I know my M16 is there and there should be yours and 2 female M16s..." I'm going oh [censored] this is some gang leader and if i put a bad beat on him he's going to shoot me.

Well after the conversation he pulls out some printed sheets of paper and im in seat 4 so i lean in close to see what is on them, "Drill Sargent Training Test 2". The guy was in the army. Semi-racist profile by me i guess, but it was what i expected in an underground cardroom.


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a few of my local games, this would be spoken by one of the drug dealers- but you'd come to find out they're some of the nicest guys around (but i wouldn't cross them....ever)

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i would probably trust the 2 drug dealers in my game over anyone else. They are generally nice and don't react bad to bad beats or losing lots of money b/c they can afford it.

Lee_C 03-04-2007 08:25 AM

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What a great read. Reminds me of a night I was in Alberta at the Calgary Casino. The 3 guys immediately to my left (seat 3-5) where extremely nice and talkative....as the night ticketed on (and the drinks mounted up) These guys started to reveal more and more about themselves. Towards the end of the session one of the guys (the leader) gets a phone call and one of their "members" had been arrested and was in jail. They were trying not to make it obvious but they were all drunk and they kept going on about how this guy was the only one in their crew that didn't have a record. From that point on they kept saying okay one more hand and we got to go get "Johnny". It seems like that went on for an hour or so. Then all at once after pissing off about $3K between them. The leader got on a tilt streak and went all-in for 3 re-buys in a row and they left. It is amazing what you can learn at the poker table.

dboy23 03-04-2007 10:15 AM

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sounds awesome

cking 03-05-2007 04:03 PM

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A bit about the BBJ that i didnt understand the 1st time. It's for every pot over $100 that they take $1 for every 100 in the pot. So $300 pots result in $3 ontop of the rake for the BBJ. Also i love calling stations and pocket pairs that flop sets, i walked out with about $700 the other night (400 profit). Looks like rent is paid for next month too now...

wiper 03-05-2007 08:24 PM

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awesome thread.

i agree that drug dealers/gangsters are usually on the up and up, at least when gambling...i've known/been around quite a few, and have come to realize that when it comes to paying bets (and keeping reputations intact), drug dealers are usually pretty good...


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