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iron81 10-17-2007 12:59 PM

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Are you aware that most gun crimes in the US take place in areas that have gun control laws?

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I thought that all gun crimes in the US take place in areas that have gun control laws.

OTOH, the areas with stricter gun control regulations are major cities with high levels of poverty. Poverty has always been strongly correlated with crime.

DblBarrelJ 10-17-2007 01:29 PM

Re: mandatory mental health evaluation for gun-rights supporters
 
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Don't you get it, Dbl? Anything that contradicts his world view is NRA PROPAGANDA!!! It is so hilariously ironic how much Midge is like certain christians who refuse to accept evidence that contradict his beliefs. He worships at the alter of the State and defends them like a good little disciple.

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That he certainly does. I'm pretty much done with this thread. First, getting MidGe to admit that his "sanity test" would be a loaded test, impossible to pass, I showed him to be crazy.

Now, with this whole argument that making it impossible for law abiding citizens to get guns somehow magically reduces guns on the street, I believe I've shown him to be rather delusional as well.

RR 10-17-2007 01:39 PM

Re: mandatory mental health evaluation for gun-rights supporters
 
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Are you aware that most gun crimes in the US take place in areas that have gun control laws?

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I thought that all gun crimes in the US take place in areas that have gun control laws.

OTOH, the areas with stricter gun control regulations are major cities with high levels of poverty. Poverty has always been strongly correlated with crime.

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This is true also. I am guessing (don't feel like looking it up) that if you compared areas of the US with a similar population density to Australia that the crime levels would be similar.

DblBarrelJ 10-17-2007 02:10 PM

Re: mandatory mental health evaluation for gun-rights supporters
 
Found a study completed in Holland.

Link

This is basically a study showing crime across the world.

DblBarrelJ 10-18-2007 06:15 AM

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I find it absurd that a prison guard would be entitled to carry a gun outside of his job, but I know that is the fashion in the US. I find it a moronic thing to allow, and I know it is simply because of a very vocal minority, mainly the NRA that it is so.

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I probably shouldn't do this, but what the hell, I had a rough night.

Normally, ignorant comments such as this from equally ignorant people don't bother me too much, but tonight, this kept ringing in my head, it really got to me, especially after I finished writing a report on an inmate who gave me my mother's address, and assuring that several units had surrounded my parents house while the inmate was interrogated to discover where he obtained this knowledge, one thought kept ringing through my head: "Who does this guy think he is, mocking my position, as though I'm not worthy to carry a weapon to protect myself from animals like this?"

So, I decided maybe what would be best would be to post my qualifications, see what most of the forum thought of me as a "prison guard" (hint: I don't guard a prison, I police violent felons) carrying a weapon. So here's my resume:

2002-2004:

JSU PD - Communications officer

2004-2005

JSU PD - Patrol Officer

5/05-1/07

Dekalb Co PD - NARC/Patrol

1/07-4/07
Brinks - Armored Truck Delivery

4/07-Present
Georgia Department of Corrections - Max Security Detention Officer

Education & Training

B.S Criminal Justice JSU 2005

Northeast Alabama Law enforcement Academy -

Certification - Emergency Management/E911 - 2002
Certification - Basic Police 2004

GPSTC -

Certification - Basic Police 2005
Certification - Basic Corrections 2007
Certification - Advanced Corrections 2007
Certification - Maximum Security Corrections 2007
Certification - Sharpshooter 2007

Also, a list of training accomplishments on my own time:

Defensive Folding Knife - PDT - Atlanta Campus
"The Test - Force on Force Scenarios" - PDT - Atlanta Campus
Tactical Pistol 1 - Blackwater USA - NC Campus
Tactical Pistol 2 - Blackwater USA - NC Campus
Basic Shotgun - PDT - Atlanta Campus
Tactical Shotgun - PDT - Atlanta Campus

Please tell me, what, if anything should be added to my resume to make me worthy to carry a pistol, being the lowly "Prison Guard" that I am.

Also, here is the GA law concerning firearms, I believe it to be a near perfect model.



TITLE 16. CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 11. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY
ARTICLE 4. DANGEROUS INSTRUMENTALITIES AND PRACTICES
PART 3. CARRYING AND POSSESSION OF FIREARMS

O.C.G.A. § 16-11-126 (2007)

§ 16-11-126. Carrying a concealed weapon


(a) A person commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon when such person knowingly has or carries about his or her person, unless in an open manner and fully exposed to view, any bludgeon, metal knuckles, firearm, knife designed for the purpose of offense and defense, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument of like character outside of his or her home or place of business, except as permitted under this Code section.

(b) Upon conviction of the offense of carrying a concealed weapon, a person shall be punished as follows:

(1) For the first offense, he or she shall be guilty of a misdemeanor; and

(2) For the second offense, and for any subsequent offense, he or she shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be imprisoned for not less than two years and not more than five years.

(c) This Code section shall not permit, outside of his or her home, motor vehicle, or place of business, the concealed carrying of a pistol, revolver, or concealable firearm by any person unless that person has on his or her person a valid license issued under Code Section 16-11-129 and the pistol, revolver, or firearm may only be carried in a shoulder holster, waist belt holster, any other holster, hipgrip, or any other similar device, in which event the weapon may be concealed by the person's clothing, or a handbag, purse, attache case, briefcase, or other closed container. Carrying on the person in a concealed manner other than as provided in this subsection shall not be permitted and shall be a violation of this Code section.

(d) This Code section shall not forbid the transportation of any firearm by a person who is not among those enumerated as ineligible for a license under Code Section 16-11-129, provided the firearm is enclosed in a case, unloaded, and separated from its ammunition. This Code section shall not forbid any person who is not among those enumerated as ineligible for a license under Code Section 16-11-129 from transporting a loaded firearm in any private passenger motor vehicle in an open manner and fully exposed to view or in the glove compartment, console, or similar compartment of the vehicle; provided, however, that any person in possession of a valid permit issued pursuant to Code Section 16-11-129 may carry a handgun in any location in a motor vehicle.

(e) On and after October 1, 1996, a person licensed to carry a handgun in any state whose laws recognize and give effect within such state to a license issued pursuant to this part shall be authorized to carry a handgun in this state, but only while the licensee is not a resident of this state; provided, however, that such license holder shall carry the handgun in compliance with the laws of this state.


TITLE 16. CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 11. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY
ARTICLE 4. DANGEROUS INSTRUMENTALITIES AND PRACTICES
PART 3. CARRYING AND POSSESSION OF FIREARMS

O.C.G.A. § 16-11-127 (2007)

§ 16-11-127. Carrying deadly weapons to or at public gatherings; affirmative defenses


(a) Except as provided in Code Section 16-11-127.1, a person is guilty of a misdemeanor when he or she carries to or while at a public gathering any explosive compound, firearm, or knife designed for the purpose of offense and defense.

(b) For the purpose of this Code section, "public gathering" shall include, but shall not be limited to, athletic or sporting events, churches or church functions, political rallies or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings, or establishments at which alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises. Nothing in this Code section shall otherwise prohibit the carrying of a firearm in any other public place by a person licensed or permitted to carry such firearm by this part.

(c) This Code section shall not apply to competitors participating in organized sport shooting events. Law enforcement officers, peace officers retired from state or federal law enforcement agencies, judges, magistrates, solicitors-general, and district attorneys may carry pistols in publicly owned or operated buildings.

(d) It is an affirmative defense to a violation of this Code section if a person notifies a law enforcement officer or other person employed to provide security for a public gathering of the presence of such item as soon as possible after learning of its presence and surrenders or secures such item as directed by the law enforcement officer or other person employed to provide security for a public gathering.


TITLE 16. CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 11. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY
ARTICLE 4. DANGEROUS INSTRUMENTALITIES AND PRACTICES
PART 3. CARRYING AND POSSESSION OF FIREARMS

O.C.G.A. § 16-11-127.2 (2007)

§ 16-11-127.2. Firearm or weapon on premises of nuclear power facility


(a) Except as provided in subsection (c) of this Code section, it shall be unlawful for any person to carry, possess, or have under such person's control while on the premises of a nuclear power facility a firearm or weapon. Any person who violates this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

(b) Any person who violates subsection (a) of this Code section with the intent to do bodily harm on the premises of a nuclear power facility shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000.00, by imprisonment for not less than two nor more than 20 years, or both.

(c) This Code section shall not apply to a security officer authorized to carry dangerous weapons pursuant to Code Section 16-11-124 who is acting in connection with his or her official duties on the premises of a federally licensed nuclear power facility; nor shall this Code section apply to persons designated in paragraph (3), (4), (5), or (9) of subsection (c) of Code Section 16-11-127.1.

TITLE 16. CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 11. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY
ARTICLE 4. DANGEROUS INSTRUMENTALITIES AND PRACTICES
PART 3. CARRYING AND POSSESSION OF FIREARMS

O.C.G.A. § 16-11-128 (2007)

§ 16-11-128. Carrying pistol without license


(a) A person commits the offense of carrying a pistol without a license when he has or carries on or about his person, outside of his home, motor vehicle, or place of business, any pistol or revolver without having on his person a valid license issued by the judge of the probate court of the county in which he resides, provided that no permit shall be required for persons with a valid hunting or fishing license on their person or for persons not required by law to have hunting licenses who are engaged in legal hunting, fishing, or sport shooting when the persons have the permission of the owner of the land on which the activities are being conducted; provided, further, that the pistol or revolver, whenever loaded, shall be carried only in an open and fully exposed manner.

(b) Upon conviction of the offense of carrying a pistol without a license, a person shall be punished as follows:

(1) For the first offense, he shall be guilty of a misdemeanor; and

(2) For the second offense, and for any subsequent offense, he is guilty of a felony, and, upon conviction thereof, shall be imprisoned for not less than one year nor more than five years.

(c) On and after October 1, 1996, a person licensed to carry a handgun in any state whose laws recognize and give effect within such state to a license issued pursuant to this part shall be authorized to carry a handgun in this state, but only while the licensee is not a resident of this state; provided, however, that such license holder shall carry the handgun in compliance with the laws of this state.

TITLE 16. CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 11. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY
ARTICLE 4. DANGEROUS INSTRUMENTALITIES AND PRACTICES
PART 3. CARRYING AND POSSESSION OF FIREARMS

O.C.G.A. § 16-11-129 (2007)

§ 16-11-129. License to carry pistol or revolver; temporary renewal permit


(a) Application for license or renewal license; term. The judge of the probate court of each county may, on application under oath and on payment of a fee of $15.00, issue a license or renewal license valid for a period of five years to any person whose domicile is in that county or who is on active duty with the United States armed forces and who is not a domiciliary of this state but who either resides in that county or on a military reservation located in whole or in part in that county at the time of such application, which license or renewal license shall authorize that person to carry any pistol or revolver in any county of this state notwithstanding any change in that person's county of residence or state of domicile. Applicants shall submit the application for a license or renewal license to the judge of the probate court on forms prescribed and furnished free of charge to persons wishing to apply for the license or renewal license. An applicant who is not a United States citizen shall provide sufficient personal identifying data, including without limitation his or her place of birth and United States issued alien or admission number, as the Georgia Bureau of Investigation may prescribe by rule or regulation. An applicant who is in nonimmigrant status shall provide proof of his or her qualifications for an exception to the federal firearm prohibition pursuant to 18 U.S.C. Section 922(y). Forms shall be designed to elicit information from the applicant pertinent to his or her eligibility under this Code section, including citizenship, but shall not require data which is nonpertinent or irrelevant such as serial numbers or other identification capable of being used as a de facto registration of firearms owned by the applicant. The Department of Public Safety shall furnish application forms and license forms required by this Code section. The forms shall be furnished to each judge of each probate court within the state at no cost.

(b) Licensing exceptions. No license or renewal license shall be granted to:

(1) Any person who is prohibited from possessing firearms pursuant to 18 U.S.C. Section 922;

(1.1) Any person under 21 years of age;

(2) Any person who is a fugitive from justice or against whom proceedings are pending for any felony, forcible misdemeanor, or violation of Code Section 16-11-126, 16-11-127, or 16-11-128 until such time as the proceedings are adjudicated;

(3) Any person who has been convicted of a felony by a court of this state or any other state; by a court of the United States including its territories, possessions, and dominions; or by a court of any foreign nation and has not been pardoned for such felony by the President of the United States, the State Board of Pardons and Paroles, or the person or agency empowered to grant pardons under the constitution or laws of such state or nation or any person who has been convicted of a forcible misdemeanor and has not been free of all restraint or supervision in connection therewith for at least five years or any person who has been convicted of a violation of Code Section 16-11-126, 16-11-127, or 16-11-128 and has not been free of all restraint or supervision in connection therewith for at least three years, immediately preceding the date of the application;

(4) Any individual who has been hospitalized as an inpatient in any mental hospital or alcohol or drug treatment center within five years of the date of his or her application. The probate judge may require any applicant to sign a waiver authorizing any mental hospital or treatment center to inform the judge whether or not the applicant has been an inpatient in any such facility in the last five years and authorizing the superintendent of such facility to make to the judge a recommendation regarding whether a license to carry a pistol or revolver should be issued. When such a waiver is required by the probate judge, the applicant shall pay to the probate judge a fee of $3.00 for reimbursement of the cost of making such a report by the mental health hospital, alcohol or drug treatment center, or the Department of Human Resources, which the probate judge shall remit to the hospital, center, or department. The judge shall keep any such hospitalization or treatment information confidential. It shall be at the discretion of the probate judge, considering the circumstances surrounding the hospitalization and the recommendation of the superintendent of the hospital or treatment center where the individual was a patient, to issue the license or renewal license;

(5) (A) Any person, the provisions of paragraph (3) of this subsection notwithstanding, who has been convicted of an offense arising out of the unlawful manufacture, distribution, possession, or use of a controlled substance or other dangerous drug.

(B) As used in this paragraph, the term:

(i) "Controlled substance" means any drug, substance, or immediate precursor included in the definition of controlled substances in paragraph (4) of Code Section 16-13-21.

(ii) "Convicted" means a plea of guilty, a finding of guilt by a court of competent jurisdiction, the acceptance of a plea of nolo contendere, or the affording of first offender treatment by a court of competent jurisdiction irrespective of the pendency or availability of an appeal or an application for collateral relief.

(iii) "Dangerous drug" means any drug defined as such in Code Section 16-13-71; or

(6) Any person not lawfully present in the United States.

(c) Fingerprinting. Following completion of the application for a license or the renewal of a license, the judge of the probate court shall require the applicant to proceed to an appropriate law enforcement agency in the county with the completed application. The appropriate local law enforcement agency in each county shall then capture the fingerprints of the applicant for a license or renewal license to carry a pistol or revolver, place the fingerprint required by subsection (f) of this Code section on a blank license form which has been furnished to the law enforcement agency by the judge of the probate court, and place the name of the applicant on the blank license form. The law enforcement agency shall be entitled to a fee of $5.00 from the applicant for its services in connection with the application.

(d) Investigation of applicant; issuance of license; renewal.

(1) For both license applications and requests for license renewals, the judge of the probate court shall direct the law enforcement agency to request a fingerprint based criminal history records check from the Georgia Crime Information Center and Federal Bureau of Investigation for purposes of determining the suitability of the applicant and return an appropriate report to the judge of the probate court. Fingerprints shall be in such form and of such quality as prescribed by the Georgia Crime Information Center and under standards adopted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation may charge such fee as is necessary to cover the cost of the records search.

(2) For both license applications and requests for license renewals, the judge of the probate court shall also direct the law enforcement agency to conduct a background check using the Federal Bureau of Investigation's National Instant Criminal Background Check System and return an appropriate report to the probate judge.

(3) When a person who is not a United States citizen applies for a license or renewal of a license under this Code section, the judge of the probate court shall direct the law enforcement agency to conduct a search of the records maintained by the United States Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. As a condition to the issuance of a license or the renewal of a license, an applicant who is in nonimmigrant status shall provide proof of his or her qualifications for an exception to the federal firearm prohibition pursuant to 18 U.S.C. Section 922(y).

(4) The law enforcement agency shall notify the judge of the probate court within 50 days, by telephone and in writing, of any findings relating to the applicant which may bear on his or her eligibility for a license or renewal license under the terms of this Code section. When no derogatory information is found on the applicant bearing on his or her eligibility to obtain a license or renewal license, a report shall not be required. The law enforcement agency shall return the application and the blank license form with the fingerprint thereon directly to the judge of the probate court within such time period. Not later than 60 days after the date of the application the judge of the probate court shall issue the applicant a license or renewal license to carry any pistol or revolver if no facts establishing ineligibility have been reported and if the judge determines the applicant has met all the qualifications, is of good moral character, and has complied with all the requirements contained in this Code section.

(e) Revocation, loss, or damage to license. If, at any time during the period for which the license was issued, the judge of the probate court of the county in which the license was issued shall learn or have brought to his or her attention in any manner any reasonable ground to believe the licensee is not eligible to retain the license, the judge may, after notice and hearing, revoke the license of the person upon adjudication of falsification of application, mental incompetency, chronic alcohol or narcotic usage, conviction of any felony or forcible misdemeanor, or for violation of Code Section 16-11-126, 16-11-127, or 16-11-128. It shall be unlawful for any person to possess a license which has been revoked, and any person found in possession of any such revoked license, except in the performance of his or her official duties, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. It shall be required that any license holder under this Code section have in his or her possession his or her valid license whenever he or she is carrying a pistol or revolver under the authority granted by this Code section, and his or her failure to do so shall be prima-facie evidence of a violation of Code Section 16-11-128. Loss of any license issued in accordance with this Code section or damage to the license in any manner which shall render it illegible shall be reported to the judge of the probate court of the county in which it was issued within 48 hours of the time the loss or damage becomes known to the license holder. The judge of the probate court shall thereupon issue a replacement for and shall take custody of and destroy a damaged license; and in any case in which a license has been lost, he or she shall issue a cancellation order and notify by telephone and in writing each of the law enforcement agencies whose records were checked before issuance of the original license. The judge shall charge the fee specified in subsection (k) of Code Section 15-9-60 for such services.

(f) License specifications. Licenses issued as prescribed in this Code section shall be printed on durable but lightweight card stock, and the completed card shall be laminated in plastic to improve its wearing qualities and to inhibit alterations. Measurements shall be 3 1/4 inches long, and 2 1/4 inches wide. Each shall be serially numbered within the county of issuance and shall bear the full name, residential address, birth date, weight, height, color of eyes, sex, and a clear print of the right index finger of the licensee. If the right index fingerprint cannot be secured for any reason, the print of another finger may be used but such print shall be marked to identify the finger from which the print is taken. The license shall show the date of issuance, the expiration date, and the probate court in which issued and shall be signed by the licensee and bear the signature or facsimile thereof of the judge. The seal of the court shall be placed on the face before the license is laminated. The reverse side of the license shall have imprinted thereon in its entirety Code Section 16-11-127.

(g) Alteration or counterfeiting of license; penalty. A person who deliberately alters or counterfeits such a license card commits a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by imprisonment for a period of not less than one nor more than five years.

(h) Licenses for former law enforcement officers. Except as otherwise provided in Code Section 16-11-130, any person who has served as a law enforcement officer for at least ten of the 12 years immediately preceding the retirement of such person as a law enforcement officer shall be entitled to be issued a license as provided for in this Code section without the payment of any of the fees provided for in this Code section. Such person must comply with all the other provisions of this Code section relative to the issuance of such licenses. As used in this subsection, the term "law enforcement officer" means any peace officer who is employed by the United States government or by the State of Georgia or any political subdivision thereof and who is required by the terms of his or her employment, whether by election or appointment, to give his or her full time to the preservation of public order or the protection of life and property or the prevention of crime. Such term shall include conservation rangers.

(i) Temporary renewal licenses.

(1) Any person who holds a license under this Code section to carry a pistol or revolver may, at the time he applies for a renewal of the license, also apply for a temporary renewal license if less than 90 days remain before expiration of the license he then holds or if his previous license has expired within the last 30 days.

(2) Unless the judge of the probate court knows or is made aware of any fact which would make the applicant ineligible for a five-year renewal license, the judge shall at the time of application issue a temporary renewal license to the applicant.

(3) Such a temporary renewal license shall be in the form of a paper receipt indicating the date on which the court received the renewal application and shall show the name, address, sex, age, and race of the applicant and that the temporary renewal license expires 90 days from the date of issue.

(4) During its period of validity the temporary renewal permit, if carried on or about the holder's person together with the holder's previous license, shall be valid in the same manner and for the same purposes as a five-year license.

(5) A $1.00 fee shall be charged by the probate court for issuance of a temporary renewal license.

(6) A temporary renewal license may be revoked in the same manner as a five-year license.


TITLE 16. CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 11. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY
ARTICLE 4. DANGEROUS INSTRUMENTALITIES AND PRACTICES
PART 3. CARRYING AND POSSESSION OF FIREARMS

O.C.G.A. § 16-11-130 (2007)

§ 16-11-130. Exemptions from Code Sections 16-11-126 through 16-11-128


(a) Code Sections 16-11-126 through 16-11-128 shall not apply to or affect any of the following persons if such persons are employed in the offices listed below or when authorized by federal or state law, regulations, or order:

(1) Peace officers, as such term is defined in paragraph (11) of Code Section 16-1-3, and retired peace officers so long as they remain certified whether employed by the state or a political subdivision of the state or another state or a political subdivision of another state but only if such other state provides a similar privilege for the peace officers of this state;

(2) Wardens, superintendents, and keepers of correctional institutions, jails, or other institutions for the detention of persons accused or convicted of an offense;

(3) Persons in the military service of the state or of the United States;

(4) Persons employed in fulfilling defense contracts with the government of the United States or agencies thereof when possession of the weapon is necessary for manufacture, transport, installation, and testing under the requirements of such contract;

(5) District attorneys, investigators employed by and assigned to a district attorney's office, assistant district attorneys, attorneys employed by the Prosecuting Attorneys' Council of Georgia, and any retired district attorney, assistant district attorney, or district attorneys investigator if such retired employee is receiving benefits under Title 47 or is retired in good standing and receiving benefits from a county or municipal retirement system;

(6) State court solicitors-general; investigators employed by and assigned to a state court solicitor-general's office; assistant state court solicitors-general; the corresponding personnel of any city court expressly continued in existence as a city court pursuant to Article VI, Section X, Paragraph I, subparagraph (5) of the Constitution; and the corresponding personnel of any civil court expressly continued as a civil court pursuant to said provision of the Constitution;

(7) Those employees of the State Board of Pardons and Paroles when specifically designated and authorized in writing by the members of the State Board of Pardons and Paroles to carry a weapon;

(8) The Attorney General and those members of his or her staff whom he or she specifically authorizes in writing to carry a weapon;

(9) Chief probation officers, probation officers, intensive probation officers, and surveillance officers employed by and under the authority of the Department of Corrections pursuant to Article 2 of Chapter 8 of Title 42, known as the "State-wide Probation Act," when specifically designated and authorized in writing by the director of Division of Probation;

(10) Public safety directors of municipal corporations;

(11) Explosive ordnance disposal technicians, as such term is defined by Code Section 16-7-80, and persons certified as provided in Code Section 35-8-13 to handle animals trained to detect explosives, while in the performance of their duties;

(12) State and federal trial and appellate judges, full-time and permanent part-time judges of municipal and city courts, and former state trial and appellate judges retired from their respective offices under state retirement;

(13) United States Attorneys and Assistant United States Attorneys;

(14) County medical examiners and coroners and their sworn officers employed by county government; and

(15) Clerks of the superior courts.

(b) Code Sections 16-11-126 through 16-11-128 shall not apply to or affect persons who at the time of their retirement from service with the Department of Corrections were chief probation officers, probation officers, intensive probation officers, or surveillance officers, when specifically designated and authorized in writing by the director of Division of Probation.

(c) Code Sections 16-11-126 through 16-11-128 shall not apply to or affect any:

(1) Sheriff, retired sheriff, deputy sheriff, or retired deputy sheriff if such retired deputy sheriff is receiving benefits under the Peace Officers' Annuity and Benefit Fund provided under Chapter 17 of Title 47;

(2) Member of the Georgia State Patrol or agent of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation or retired member of the Georgia State Patrol or agent of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation if such retired member or agent is receiving benefits under the Employees' Retirement System;

(3) Full-time law enforcement chief executive engaging in the management of a county, municipal, state, state authority, or federal law enforcement agency in the State of Georgia, including any college or university law enforcement chief executive that is registered or certified by the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council; or retired law enforcement chief executive that formerly managed a county, municipal, state, state authority, or federal law enforcement agency in the State of Georgia, including any college or university law enforcement chief executive that was registered or certified at the time of his or her retirement by the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council, if such retired law enforcement chief executive is receiving benefits under the Peace Officers' Annuity and Benefit Fund provided under Chapter 17 of Title 47 or is retired in good standing and receiving benefits from a county, municipal, State of Georgia, state authority, or federal retirement system; or

(4) Police officer of any county, municipal, state, state authority, or federal law enforcement agency in the State of Georgia, including any college or university police officer that is registered or certified by the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council, or retired police officer of any county, municipal, state, state authority, or federal law enforcement agency in the State of Georgia, including any college or university police officer that was registered or certified at the time of his or her retirement by the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council, if such retired employee is receiving benefits under the Peace Officers' Annuity and Benefit Fund provided under Chapter 17 of Title 47 or is retired in good standing and receiving benefits from a county, municipal, State of Georgia, state authority, or federal retirement system.

In addition, any such sheriff, retired sheriff, deputy sheriff, retired deputy sheriff, active or retired law enforcement chief executive, or other law enforcement officer referred to in this subsection shall be authorized to carry a pistol or revolver on or off duty anywhere within the state and the provisions of Code Sections 16-11-126 through 16-11-128 shall not apply to the carrying of such firearms.

(d) A prosecution based upon a violation of Code Section 16-11-126, 16-11-127, or 16-11-128 need not negative any exemptions.


Sorry for the long post. Does anyone have a problem with either A) GA's Firearm Laws, or B) Someone of my qualifications being on the street with a firearm, due to my obvious lack of firearms training, as well as my ignorance of Georgia Law? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

MidGe 10-18-2007 06:43 AM

Re: mandatory mental health evaluation for gun-rights supporters
 
DblBarrel,

I was also happy to let things lie and starting to feel sorry when I started ready your CV>


That is until I came across:

Tactical Pistol 1 - Blackwater USA - NC Campus
Tactical Pistol 2 - Blackwater USA - NC Campus

I don't even want to go there but since you raised it, it doesn't inspire confidence! Blackwater has some blood on its hands, as far as I am concerned. They don't seem to train their people ethically!

Enough said.. that's another thread!

DblBarrelJ 10-18-2007 07:20 AM

Re: mandatory mental health evaluation for gun-rights supporters
 
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DblBarrel,

I was also happy to let things lie and starting to feel sorry when I started ready your CV>


That is until I came across:

Tactical Pistol 1 - Blackwater USA - NC Campus
Tactical Pistol 2 - Blackwater USA - NC Campus

I don't even want to go there but since you raised it, it doesn't inspire confidence! Blackwater has some blood on its hands, as far as I am concerned. They don't seem to train their people ethically!

Enough said.. that's another thread!


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LOLOLOLOLOL We have a winner! That is, by far, the most absolutely uneducated response you've made in this thread! Thank you. Blackwater does not "train" those overseas security agents, they're Military trained.

You're hilarious.

However, I am happy to see that I've earned the right in your world to protect myself from danger. That means the world to me, it really does.

MidGe 10-18-2007 07:40 AM

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DblBarrel,

I was also happy to let things lie and starting to feel sorry when I started ready your CV>


That is until I came across:

Tactical Pistol 1 - Blackwater USA - NC Campus
Tactical Pistol 2 - Blackwater USA - NC Campus

I don't even want to go there but since you raised it, it doesn't inspire confidence! Blackwater has some blood on its hands, as far as I am concerned. They don't seem to train their people ethically!

Enough said.. that's another thread!


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LOLOLOLOLOL We have a winner! That is, by far, the most absolutely uneducated response you've made in this thread! Thank you. Blackwater does not "train" those overseas security agents, they're Military trained.

You're hilarious.

However, I am happy to see that I've earned the right in your world to protect myself from danger. That means the world to me, it really does.

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If you insist.

Aren't Blackwater personnel currently implicated in what are unsavory and unethical killings in Iraq? You seem at least to agree with that. Since they are Blackwater personnel I must presume that they were selected by Blackwater and their training was approved by Blackwater, whoever was ultimately contracted to do so.

I guess you think the US has no responsibility for rendition, for Abu Graib or for the Iraq war, etc... In fact the US is lily rose and is representative of a model society. Accidentally it has more prisoners/ or jailed people per head of population than any first world country and than many third world countries when it comes to that. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I guess, it must be something in the culture.

DblBarrelJ 10-18-2007 08:07 AM

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DblBarrel,

I was also happy to let things lie and starting to feel sorry when I started ready your CV>


That is until I came across:

Tactical Pistol 1 - Blackwater USA - NC Campus
Tactical Pistol 2 - Blackwater USA - NC Campus

I don't even want to go there but since you raised it, it doesn't inspire confidence! Blackwater has some blood on its hands, as far as I am concerned. They don't seem to train their people ethically!

Enough said.. that's another thread!


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LOLOLOLOLOL We have a winner! That is, by far, the most absolutely uneducated response you've made in this thread! Thank you. Blackwater does not "train" those overseas security agents, they're Military trained.

You're hilarious.

However, I am happy to see that I've earned the right in your world to protect myself from danger. That means the world to me, it really does.

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If you insist.

Aren't Blackwater personnel currently implicated in what are unsavory and unethical killings in Iraq? You seem at least to agree with that. Since they are Blackwater personnel I must presume that they were selected by Blackwater and their training was approved by Blackwater, whoever was ultimately contracted to do so.

I guess you think the US has no responsibility for rendition, for Abu Graib or for the Iraq war, etc... In fact the US is lily rose and is representative of a model society. Accidentally it has more prisoners/ or jailed people per head of population than any first world country and than many third world countries when it comes to that. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I guess, it must be something in the culture.

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Regardless of my feelings on Blackwater Security, who btw, since the beginning of the Iraq War, has not lost a principle whom they've been hired to protect, those guards have a few days on the pistol range to verify they have the marksmanship skills needed, then they're flown in country.

From the website:

Requirements:


Mobile Security Team Member

Minimum of 8 years of active US military experience (National Guard & reserve time does not count) and qualified in Special Operations Forces (Navy: SEAL, Army: Special Forces, Ranger, Marine: Force Recon, Air Force CCT, PJ)

12 months of experience overseas (High Threat Environment)

US citizen

Honorable Discharge

Valid US drivers license

Current US Passport

High school diploma

Able to get a Secret clearance. No negative history to include criminal, financial etc.

Flexible deployment and rotation schedule

Daily in country pay rate starts at $550.00.
If you have the qualifications please submit a resume and DD214 to rhorst@blackwaterusa.com .

If I were running a Security firm such as Blackwater USA, I don't know if I could insist on adding any other courses to what I have there. These guys are not only US Military, they're all Special Ops. They were trained before they got to Blackwater, they're ex-Military. I basically said all that to say this: Ask anyone in the US Military/US Law Enforcement community about the training offered at Blackwater, then get back to me. They'll tell you it's second to none. Or, check the training out yourself.

Blackwater USA Training

Anyway, this thread has gotten too far off topic. Guess we'll just agree to disagree on whether or not the average citizen should be allowed to own a firearm.

One Outer 10-18-2007 08:12 AM

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I guess you think the US has no responsibility for rendition, for Abu Graib or for the Iraq war, etc... In fact the US is lily rose and is representative of a model society. Accidentally it has more prisoners/ or jailed people per head of population than any first world country and than many third world countries when it comes to that. I guess, it must be something in the culture.

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Actually, U.S. Americans (get it? no? ah...) have the highest incarceration rate in the world, PERIOD.

http://blackstarnews.com/?c=135&a=3771

As an American, this is humiliating.

MidGe 10-18-2007 08:19 AM

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Anyway, this thread has gotten too far off topic. Guess we'll just agree to disagree on whether or not the average citizen should be allowed to own a firearm.


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I agree DblBarrelJ, we are drifting off the opening post intent and scope. I am happy to discuss other issues with you on different threads, if you so wish!

DblBarrelJ 10-18-2007 08:26 AM

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(b) Licensing exceptions. No license or renewal license shall be granted to:

(1) Any person who is prohibited from possessing firearms pursuant to 18 U.S.C. Section 922;

(1.1) Any person under 21 years of age;

(2) Any person who is a fugitive from justice or against whom proceedings are pending for any felony, forcible misdemeanor, or violation of Code Section 16-11-126, 16-11-127, or 16-11-128 until such time as the proceedings are adjudicated;

(3) Any person who has been convicted of a felony by a court of this state or any other state; by a court of the United States including its territories, possessions, and dominions; or by a court of any foreign nation and has not been pardoned for such felony by the President of the United States, the State Board of Pardons and Paroles, or the person or agency empowered to grant pardons under the constitution or laws of such state or nation or any person who has been convicted of a forcible misdemeanor and has not been free of all restraint or supervision in connection therewith for at least five years or any person who has been convicted of a violation of Code Section 16-11-126, 16-11-127, or 16-11-128 and has not been free of all restraint or supervision in connection therewith for at least three years, immediately preceding the date of the application;

(4) Any individual who has been hospitalized as an inpatient in any mental hospital or alcohol or drug treatment center within five years of the date of his or her application. The probate judge may require any applicant to sign a waiver authorizing any mental hospital or treatment center to inform the judge whether or not the applicant has been an inpatient in any such facility in the last five years and authorizing the superintendent of such facility to make to the judge a recommendation regarding whether a license to carry a pistol or revolver should be issued. When such a waiver is required by the probate judge, the applicant shall pay to the probate judge a fee of $3.00 for reimbursement of the cost of making such a report by the mental health hospital, alcohol or drug treatment center, or the Department of Human Resources, which the probate judge shall remit to the hospital, center, or department. The judge shall keep any such hospitalization or treatment information confidential. It shall be at the discretion of the probate judge, considering the circumstances surrounding the hospitalization and the recommendation of the superintendent of the hospital or treatment center where the individual was a patient, to issue the license or renewal license;

(5) (A) Any person, the provisions of paragraph (3) of this subsection notwithstanding, who has been convicted of an offense arising out of the unlawful manufacture, distribution, possession, or use of a controlled substance or other dangerous drug.

(B) As used in this paragraph, the term:

(i) "Controlled substance" means any drug, substance, or immediate precursor included in the definition of controlled substances in paragraph (4) of Code Section 16-13-21.

(ii) "Convicted" means a plea of guilty, a finding of guilt by a court of competent jurisdiction, the acceptance of a plea of nolo contendere, or the affording of first offender treatment by a court of competent jurisdiction irrespective of the pendency or availability of an appeal or an application for collateral relief.

(iii) "Dangerous drug" means any drug defined as such in Code Section 16-13-71; or

(6) Any person not lawfully present in the United States.

(c) Fingerprinting. Following completion of the application for a license or the renewal of a license, the judge of the probate court shall require the applicant to proceed to an appropriate law enforcement agency in the county with the completed application. The appropriate local law enforcement agency in each county shall then capture the fingerprints of the applicant for a license or renewal license to carry a pistol or revolver, place the fingerprint required by subsection (f) of this Code section on a blank license form which has been furnished to the law enforcement agency by the judge of the probate court, and place the name of the applicant on the blank license form. The law enforcement agency shall be entitled to a fee of $5.00 from the applicant for its services in connection with the application.

(d) Investigation of applicant; issuance of license; renewal.

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From GA 16-11-129

Do you honestly not think these requirements can keep the loonies away from the guns?? If not, what could be added?

pvn 10-18-2007 11:20 AM

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DblBarrel,

I was also happy to let things lie and starting to feel sorry when I started ready your CV>


That is until I came across:

Tactical Pistol 1 - Blackwater USA - NC Campus
Tactical Pistol 2 - Blackwater USA - NC Campus

I don't even want to go there but since you raised it, it doesn't inspire confidence! Blackwater has some blood on its hands, as far as I am concerned. They don't seem to train their people ethically!

Enough said.. that's another thread!

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Wow, you're just totally grasping for straws. Do you think the government agents you trust to decide who is and is not worthy enough to carry a firearm do not have "blood on their hands"???

Get real.


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