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The first Colt Brennan interception was just a great play by a defensive lineman, but that one was just a terrible read. That ball needs to not be thrown. 'Course I'm rooting for Boise so I don't mind [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I think WVU is a more impressive one loss team than OSU.

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osu lost has a better loss (ill vs sflo) and beat more decent teams. kinda baffled wvu is ranked higher really.

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osu lost has a better loss (ill vs sflo) and beat more decent teams. kinda baffled wvu is ranked higher really.

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They were ranked higher when the season started and lost first, LDO.

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Yeah, losing earlier is a huge part of it.

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Normally I'd say that up five in the third quarter, it's stupid to go for two. Just kick the extra point and take the six point lead. When you've had two XPs blocked though I guess it's a more forgivable decision. Didn't work here though, 32-27 Hawaii now.

This is a fun game.

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Normally I'd say that up five in the third quarter, it's stupid to go for two. Just kick the extra point and take the six point lead. When you've had two XPs blocked though I guess it's a more forgivable decision. Didn't work here though, 32-27 Hawaii now.

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Boise starting to slow down pretty badly on O. If Brennan doesnt have any more brain lapses, this could start to run away from Boise.

edit: on cue, Brennan bombs a TD

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Hawaii's passing attack is actually very well executed.

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And there's Boise's mistake. They really need to take this ball the length of the field or else this could start to get away from them fast.

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osu lost has a better loss (ill vs sflo) and beat more decent teams. kinda baffled wvu is ranked higher really.

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They were ranked higher when the season started and lost first, LDO.

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the whole problem is that the voters have WVU ahead right now and so long as WV takes care of business, which they should do, then the voters are going to keep it that way.


anyone want to take a stab at the BCS picture


rose --
sugar --
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BCS NC --

which 10 teams as of right now are most likely to get in assume hawaii wins tonight and next week -- are they in?

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Of course an undefeated Hawaii is in... but there is WAY too much room for additional confusion for me to take a stab at the full BCS picture yet. There is only one BCS conference I feel confident picking a winner in right now.

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and which one is it?

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btw, how [censored] sweet would it be to go to school at hawaii? or not at all?

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and which one is it?

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I feel relatively confident predicting that Ohio State will win the Big Ten.

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Using Sagarin rankings, here are the two teams' schedules and results
WVU
rank team score
111 Western Michigan 62-24
127 Marshall away 48-23
54 Maryland away 31-14
79 East Carolina 48-7
13 South Florida away lost 21-13
108 Syracuse away 55-14
58 Mississippi State 38-13
39 Rutgers away 31-3
48 Louisville 38-31
14 Cincinnati away 28-23

Remaining games:
at 21 Connecticut
vs 68 Pitt

So their loss is at the Sagarin 13th ranked team, who btw are ranked 27th in the AP poll and 23rd in the BCS. Their best win is at Cincinnati, who are ranked 14th by Sagarin, 24th in both the AP and BCS.

Here is the same for Ohio State:
93 Youngstown State 38-6
115 Akron 20-2
44 Washington away 33-14
83 Northwestern 58-7
119 Minnesota away 30-7
55 Purdue away 23-7
131 Kent State 48-3
46 Michigan State 24-17
30 Penn State away 37-17
31 Wisconsin 38-17
20 Illinois loss 28-21
25 Michigan away 14-3

Their loss is at home to Sagarin #20 Illinois who are 18th in the AP and 17th in the BCS. I would say this loss is a touch worse than losing at USF, but it's pretty close either way.

I used Sagarin because it goes deeper than the top 30 or so. It's interesting that he seems to rank Big East teams ahead of the AP and BCS. I'm not really sure why that is.

Ignoring scores and just looking at wins, here are the rankings from worst to best.

WVU: 127, 111, 108, 79, 58, 54, 48, 39, 14
OSU: 131, 119, 115, 93, 83, 55, 46, 44, 31, 30, 25

Looking at that, I think that right now OSU clearly looks better. If WVU beat UConn then that'll tack on another win over a team about 30 (currently 21 but will fall obviously) and if you go by Sagarin it becomes a matter of whether you think it's more impressive to beat two teams in the low 20s or one team in the mid teens. I think the former is true.

However, since Sagarin seems to overrate the entire Big East, at least relative to what most people think, it would appear that Ohio State has a significantly better resume with similar losses and OSU having beaten 3 fairly good teams while WVU will have only beaten 2.

That was long and rambling, but hopefully made some sense.

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Personally I think it would suck. All those beaches, the sun, the tourists, being trapped on an island, none of it sounds appealing. I'll happily stay in the Pacific Northwest with my clouds, rain, quiet, and access to a continent, thank you.

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and which one is it?

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I feel relatively confident predicting that Ohio State will win the Big Ten.

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thats not really a prediction. i was more or less talking about the conferences that have championship games yet to be played. you angle shot me.

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and which one is it?

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I feel relatively confident predicting that Ohio State will win the Big Ten.

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thats not really a prediction. i was more or less talking about the conferences that have championship games yet to be played. you angle shot me.

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It was precisely what I meant by the original post. Angle? Perhaps. But there's a reason I said only one, and I did mean out of the six.

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Personally I think it would suck. All those beaches, the sun, the tourists, being trapped on an island, none of it sounds appealing. I'll happily stay in the Pacific Northwest with my clouds, rain, quiet, and access to a continent, thank you.

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you are still trapped on an island and anytime you leave traveling would be a bitch and traveling to your schools road games would get pretty expensive. i think it still would be pretty cool though.

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I think WVU is a more impressive one loss team than OSU.

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osu lost has a better loss (ill vs sflo) and beat more decent teams. kinda baffled wvu is ranked higher really.

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They were ranked higher when the season started and lost first, LDO.

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the whole problem is that the voters have WVU ahead right now and so long as WV takes care of business, which they should do, then the voters are going to keep it that way.


anyone want to take a stab at the BCS picture


rose --
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fiesta --
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BCS NC --

which 10 teams as of right now are most likely to get in assume hawaii wins tonight and next week -- are they in?

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Rose: tOSU vs. USC
Fiesta: KU vs. Ill
Sugar: LSU vs. Hawaii
Orange: UVA vs. Georgia
NC: Missou vs. WVU

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osu lost has a better loss (ill vs sflo) and beat more decent teams. kinda baffled wvu is ranked higher really.

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Ill is not 7-8 points better than Sflo, that statement is ridiculous, even without factoring injuries. They have more better wins RIGHT NOW but WVU still has two games left.

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Of course an undefeated Hawaii is in... but there is WAY too much room for additional confusion for me to take a stab at the full BCS picture yet. There is only one BCS conference I feel confident picking a winner in right now.

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and which one is it?

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I feel relatively confident predicting that Ohio State will win the Big Ten.

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thats not really a prediction. i was more or less talking about the conferences that have championship games yet to be played. you angle shot me.

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It was precisely what I meant by the original post. Angle? Perhaps. But there's a reason I said only one, and I did mean out of the six.

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ok.

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i was out there exactly 2 years ago. a jar of saurkraut was going for $8 at a waikiki grocery store, crappy houses going for 1/2 mil. don't know how the average person gets by

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osu lost has a better loss (ill vs sflo) and beat more decent teams. kinda baffled wvu is ranked higher really.

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Ill is not 7-8 points better than Sflo, that statement is ridiculous, even without factoring injuries. They have more better wins RIGHT NOW but WVU still has two games left.

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huh, i never said they were 7-8 pts better or even that they were significantly omglolsuperduper better. ill is ranked 18. usf isnt in the top 25. seems better to me, but, as jaredl pointed out, usf is ranked higher by sagarin.

as for wvus remaining games pitt is fairly worthless. uconn is decent so it will come down to beating rutgers, cinci, uconn vs beating psu, wisc, mich.

after looking at sagarin it looks very close but going by the polls osu looks clearly superior.

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osu lost has a better loss (ill vs sflo) and beat more decent teams. kinda baffled wvu is ranked higher really.

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Ill is not 7-8 points better than Sflo, that statement is ridiculous, even without factoring injuries. They have more better wins RIGHT NOW but WVU still has two games left.

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huh, i never said they were 7-8 pts better or even that they were significantly omglolsuperduper better. ill is ranked 18. usf isnt in the top 25. seems better to me, but, as jaredl pointed out, usf is ranked higher by sagarin.

as for wvus remaining games pitt is fairly worthless. uconn is decent so it will come down to beating rutgers, cinci, uconn vs beating psu, wisc, mich.

after looking at sagarin it looks very close but going by the polls osu looks clearly superior.

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7-8 points was a generous margin I assigned after actually looking where the games were played. I would realistically say more like 9.

Also beating Pitt is fairly similar to beating MSU.

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Just for fun, I'll pull this out of my ass:

NC: Kansas/Missouri winner v. WV
Rose: OSU v. Oregon
Sugar: SEC winner v. Hawaii
Orange: VT/BC v. Tenn/Georgia (not LSU)
Fiesta: Kansas/Missouri loser v. USC

The guy above me forgot that Oregon is leading the Pac 10 ATM. Hawaii winning tonight kills Illinois.

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you are still trapped on an island and anytime you leave traveling would be a bitch and traveling to your schools road games would get pretty expensive. i think it still would be pretty cool though.

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Other than driving by campus, I haven't been to UH. I have spent a lot of time in Hawai'i since my wife is from there (Windward O'ahu near the North Shore). I really like the relaxed feel. It doesn't feel like everyone is in a hurry like a lot of places (I'm guessing Kansas isn't one of them though [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ). It suits me just fine.

From what I know about UH, it's largely a commuter school. If you aren't from there that would be a pretty big drag. I guess most weekends there aren't a lot of students around since so many go home or still live there. For sports based only on my impression from being there and the 30 or so people I know, 99% of whom are some sort of in-laws, volleyball is significantly more important to people than football.

As for Bob's comments, the sun is a pain in the ass since you have to wear sunscreen all the time. Depending on where you are it is also regularly hotter than a lot of people like. For some this is fine, say people in Southern California. As a fellow Oregonian I can certainly see where you're coming from that even though the weather is often what many would consider perfect it isn't optimal. The tourists aren't so bad because they tend to all be in tourist spots. It would suck if you lived anywhere near Waikiki or had to go through there regularly. The rock fever thing I don't know too much about. My longest stint there was about a month and a half when I got married and I never felt claustrophobic or whatever. I think that's something that would really bother some people and others not at all though.

As for all those beaches I don't really get this criticism. If you went to UH you would live in Manoa or somewhere else in Honolulu which isn't New York but is a city. You can certainly go the beach if you want but it's not like you have no choice in the matter. It's like saying being at the U of O would suck because of all those mountains and buttes.

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If LSU loses the SEC title game the Sugar Bowl has to take the winner, right?

I'm sure they would rather take LSU.

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Sugar Bowl is tied into the SEC winner. I doubt they would be thrilled with a 3 loss LSU team that lost its last 2.

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Generally, the loser of the SEC championship does NOT get the 2nd bid. (ie. ARK and LSU previous years). UF should most likely be in the discussion of BCS at large.

actually, i forgot that utenn leads the east (ugh). so yeah, UGA probably will get it if Utenn goes.

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If that happens to LSU then that will be one of the biggest falls in two games ever. From #1 to out of the BCS in two two games. Michigan at the beginning went from #5 to pretty much guaranteed to have a bad season, which I guess is up there as well.

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Generally, the loser of the SEC championship does NOT get the 2nd bid. (ie. ARK and LSU previous years). UF should most likely be in the discussion of BCS at large.

actually, i forgot that utenn leads the east (ugh). so yeah, UGA probably will get it if Utenn goes.

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ideas on good methods of suicide, anyone?

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Why did Arkansas go first in the 3rd overtime (they just scored)???

They went on defense in first ot, then had to go first in 2nd OT, then they went first AGAIN in 3rd OT????

Nobody else noticed this?

They should have gone second in the 3rd OT... they scored but still...

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I don't know if anyone already answered this, but they flip again after every two overtime periods.

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Sugar Bowl is tied into the SEC winner. I doubt they would be thrilled with a 3 loss LSU team that lost its last 2.

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If LSU loses the SEC championship game there is no way they get a BCS bid.

Especially if it's Tennessee that beats them. UT would get a spot and UGA would get an at large bid (assuming they beat GA Tech tomorrow) and no conference can have more than 2 BCS bids.

Also, as they are playing right now, Georgia will roll LSU if they happen to play them in the title game, but in order for that to happen Kentucky would have to beat Tennessee tomorrow (very possible)

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Is this a new rule this year? I remember watching those long marathon OT games (5+ OT) and teams would always alternate who went first each OT.

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This is karma for that stupid billboard LSU fans bought in downtown LA. Hopefully if OSU goes to the national championship we can get a LSU-USC rose bowl.

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This is karma for that stupid billboard LSU fans bought in downtown LA. Hopefully if OSU goes to the national championship we can get an Illinois -USC rose bowl as revenge for all the crap Illini fans took from LSU in 2002 at the Sugar Bowl .

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Don't worry, if you actually get a good coach next year, you might actually win games you are supposed to win.

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I can't believe I'm actually looking forward to the Kansas/Missouri game tonight. I'm rooting for Missouri, if for nothing better than to say OU beat the #1 team in the country. :-) And hopefully they'll get a chance to do it again (with half the country rooting for them).

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Yea, as an Illini fan I think I'm rooting for Mizzou too. If Kansas loses they will probably drop a ton in the polls and OU already beat Mizzou pretty handily (granted it was at home) earlier this year. Someone correct me if I should be rooting for Kansas.

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Oh JESUS CHRIST! Jonathan Stewart is hurt badly enough to not start???

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saw that. what did the guy say he had? sounded like an illness