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Sweir 05-07-2007 12:58 PM

Re: **Official uNL is this standard thread**
 
@Chomp: yea don't fold the flop, you probably have loads of outs with the NFD and 2 overs. Was he raising cbets a lot and folding when someone 3bet, if so then just push the flop. I might just push the flop anyway because its good for your image, you have FE, and if called you get to see 2 streets with lots of outs. Obv cbet there.

Supwithbates 05-07-2007 01:34 PM

Re: **Official uNL is this standard thread**
 
villain is unknown
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $9.75
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $29.05</font>
UTG: $39.15
MP: $86.70
CO: $54.05
BTN: $32.65

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.25, MP folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, UTG folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($2.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $6.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $28.05</font>

How does this line fare against:
1) an unknown at 25NL
2) a known LAG/donk
3) a known nit
4) a known TAG/good player
5) a known station/fish

My thoughts:
1) meh
2) great
3) fold to flop raise
4) undecided, but I'd lead toward just calling the raise
5) great

Basically, is this line ever folding out anything I beat? How often are players calling with something worse?
What I beat that might call:
worse 2pair
naked flush draws
overpair+fd
overpair no FD
pair+FD

What beats me that is almost certainly calling:
sets and flushes

bozzer 05-07-2007 01:42 PM

Re: **Official uNL is this standard thread**
 
Sup, this hand is probably worth posting in its own thread if you have that many questions about it.

Mr_Pathetic 05-07-2007 02:17 PM

Re: **Official uNL is this standard thread**
 
Standard or Stupid??

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.01/$0.02 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $4.94
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $2.14</font>
UTG: $1.30
CO: $3.29
BTN: $0.94

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Thttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (5 Players)
UTG folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN calls $0.02, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.10</font>, CO calls $0.08, BTN folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($0.23) 7http://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5http://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.20</font>, CO calls $0.20

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($0.63) Qhttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.44</font>, CO calls $0.44

<font color="black">River:</font> ($1.51) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $1.40</font>, CO calls $1.40

Pot Size: $4.31 ($0.20 Rake)

ciro bonano 05-07-2007 03:22 PM

Re: **Official uNL is this standard thread**
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) handconverter.com

MP ($46.00)
CO ($27.05)
Button ($31.75)
Hero ($24.75)
BB ($9.75)
UTG ($20.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $1, MP calls $1.

Flop: ($4) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $18.95</font>, MP folds, Hero folds.

BishopsFinger 05-07-2007 03:54 PM

Re: **Official uNL is this standard thread**
 
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">SB: $26.15</font>
BB: $34.40
UTG: $23.05
<font color="black">MP: $27.90</font>
CO: $41.80
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $55.90</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, SB calls $1.15, BB folds, MP calls $1

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, SB folds, MP calls $3

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">River:</font> ($10) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $5.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $25</font>, MP calls all-in for $17.90
Uncalled bet of $1.35 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $57.30 ($2.85 Rake)

river shove or just call?

Hoffma 05-08-2007 06:52 AM

Re: **Official uNL is this standard thread**
 
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.02/$0.05 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $10.69
BB: $16.53
UTG: $6.62
MP: $1.20
CO: $5.71
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $10.34</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($0.30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $0.15</font>, MP calls $0.15, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, 4 folds

Pot Size: $1.60

I'm not terribly fond of this limp, but otherwise, standard?

Kimpan 05-08-2007 06:57 AM

Re: **Official uNL is this standard thread**
 
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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">SB: $26.15</font>
BB: $34.40
UTG: $23.05
<font color="black">MP: $27.90</font>
CO: $41.80
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $55.90</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, SB calls $1.15, BB folds, MP calls $1

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, SB folds, MP calls $3

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">River:</font> ($10) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP bets $5.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $25</font>, MP calls all-in for $17.90
Uncalled bet of $1.35 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $57.30 ($2.85 Rake)

river shove or just call?

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I would just call this river, he probably has the flush..
I don't see any worse hands calling to that push.

Genz 05-08-2007 07:52 AM

Re: **Official uNL is this standard thread**
 
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Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.02/$0.05 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $10.69
BB: $16.53
UTG: $6.62
MP: $1.20
CO: $5.71
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $10.34</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($0.30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $0.15</font>, MP calls $0.15, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, 4 folds

Pot Size: $1.60

I'm not terribly fond of this limp, but otherwise, standard?

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You are drawing at the bottom end of the straight and to the lowest possible flush. With the overcall, your fold equity is debatable. Maybe I take a card off, but I usually do not try to push two opponents out of a hand like this.

ama0330 05-08-2007 09:10 AM

Re: **Official uNL is this standard thread**
 
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Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.02/$0.05 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $10.69
BB: $16.53
UTG: $6.62
MP: $1.20
CO: $5.71
<font color="black">Hero (BTN): $10.34</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($0.30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $0.15</font>, MP calls $0.15, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, 4 folds

Pot Size: $1.60

I'm not terribly fond of this limp, but otherwise, standard?

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You are drawing at the bottom end of the straight and to the lowest possible flush. With the overcall, your fold equity is debatable. Maybe I take a card off, but I usually do not try to push two opponents out of a hand like this.

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I like this.


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