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"This ought to be good. Why don't you go over, you know more about the rules than I do."

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ARE YOU KIDDING ME? THIS IS THE BEST STORY I'VE EVER HEARD.

Re: Iris Caught Marking the Cards at Commerce
 

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Can I ask a silly question?

I've never been to the Commerce, so I have no idea (other than what you all say) what the players/action are like. My question is why does management/dealers put up with the arseholes like this lady Iris who mark the cards, cuss the dealer, throw sh*t , etc. Can these people not act their age? Are they drunk or doing drugs or something?

I can say for certain that this behavior would not be tolerated in other card rooms in other parts of the country. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Foxwoods last Friday 10/20 LHE. Emotional regular has taken his third or fourth awful beat and is down to his last $8 or so. He tells the dealer he sucks, picks up his chips, hurls them just over the dealers shoulder/head, and storms out of the room. The chips slam against the wall (ironically right where the 13 Foxwoods' player rules are posted) and scatter. There is a quiet at the table and a few tables in the vicinity that lasts until the floor picks up the chips, puts them next to the dealer, and says "looks like he air mailed you your tip".

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When people are losing money, they can become jerks. Especially in a game like poker where there's a luck factor.

I play at Commerce fairly often--although I consider myself a social player--and I've found a group of people to socialize and joke with and they're nice, congenial people who are good company. I avoid and ignore the jerks.

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I'm heartened by stories of CAZ. I've read a variety of good/bad about this place, but that the dealers have power over their tables is a great thing.

To the person suggesting harassing the abuser... I'm curious the feelings of others, but I recommend against railing on them for being mean to a dealer. This rarely helps and only strengthens the person's resolve. At least in my experience. But I appreciate the sentiment. I think a nice subtle thing you could do is throw the dealer a chip, say it's for the effort or something. I'm sure a lot of people don't like it but are afraid to speak up. A small gesture will notify people that there's at least one other person annoyed by it all, which could have a profound impact on the tone of the entire table, not to mention the attitude of the dealer.

I don't know how it is in LA, but with my experience in the Bay Area, the rooms are all their own little worlds, and those running them have had decades to evolve independent of each other. This results in rooms with wildly inconsistent rules and floorpeople who know thier own little mutated world of rules and procedures, with little knowledge of or interest in how other rooms do things.

For a while I got bent out of shape about the abusers and my lack of power to do anything about it, but I've finally been broken, and I just tolerate the a-hole behavior with everybody else and try to ignore it best I can. I tell ya, simply allowing dealers to deal someone out of a hand and know they'll get backed by the floor would solve a boatload of problems. Addicts need their fix, and when confronted with consequences, they'll shape up or be removed. These people feed on people bending to them. We do nobody any good by enabling.

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I'm heartened by stories of CAZ. I've read a variety of good/bad about this place, but that the dealers have power over their tables is a great thing.

To the person suggesting harassing the abuser... I'm curious the feelings of others, but I recommend against railing on them for being mean to a dealer. This rarely helps and only strengthens the person's resolve. At least in my experience. But I appreciate the sentiment. I think a nice subtle thing you could do is throw the dealer a chip, say it's for the effort or something. I'm sure a lot of people don't like it but are afraid to speak up. A small gesture will notify people that there's at least one other person annoyed by it all, which could have a profound impact on the tone of the entire table, not to mention the attitude of the dealer.

I don't know how it is in LA, but with my experience in the Bay Area, the rooms are all their own little worlds, and those running them have had decades to evolve independent of each other. This results in rooms with wildly inconsistent rules and floorpeople who know thier own little mutated world of rules and procedures, with little knowledge of or interest in how other rooms do things.

For a while I got bent out of shape about the abusers and my lack of power to do anything about it, but I've finally been broken, and I just tolerate the a-hole behavior with everybody else and try to ignore it best I can. I tell ya, simply allowing dealers to deal someone out of a hand and know they'll get backed by the floor would solve a boatload of problems. Addicts need their fix, and when confronted with consequences, they'll shape up or be removed. These people feed on people bending to them. We do nobody any good by enabling.

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The room where I play the most, I know quite a few of the dealers & other regulars pretty well, so it's not uncommon for one of us to stick up for a dealer (the women dealers especially) if they are getting abused by a drunk, losing, a$$hole. I'm a pretty nice, easy going person at the table but I won't hesitate to tell somebody to STFU if they get outta line.

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"This ought to be good. Why don't you go over, you know more about the rules than I do."

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AHLSGDLKJADF
JL;NDGH;LKJA

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? THIS IS THE BEST STORY I'VE EVER HEARD.

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This isn't surprising at all if you knew Marcel. I got a decent ruling in a white chip game once from Luis but it took awhile. I'm really drawing a blank trying to think of a floorman who is reliable if you need a ruling. Luckily the bigger games tend to police themselves, if you are on the right side of the regulars.

-DeathDonkey

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I am a bit confused - abusive players at the Commerce? But it says right on their chips "LA's Friendliest Casino"!

Seriously, that certainly is not the only place with this kind of problem. I have never played higher than 4/8 at the Commerce and have only been there a few times, but they honestly were the friendliest games I have played in LA (except for the [censored] in the Omaha game).

The last time I played the 6/12 at Hollywood Park someone got mad and crumpled his cards after losing with top pair crappy kicker, with something like Q6o. I complained to the player and he said something like "they can afford the new deck". I said "that's not the point, I came to play poker not wait for new decks". At that point I resisted the urge to add "if you didn't play crap hands you wouldn't have the problem to beging with!" and let the matter drop.

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Andy Fox. You have any gossip on what ever happened to
Nilly Premrajh?

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I don't know how it is in LA, but with my experience in the Bay Area, the rooms are all their own little worlds, and those running them have had decades to evolve independent of each other. This results in rooms with wildly inconsistent rules and floorpeople who know thier own little mutated world of rules and procedures, with little knowledge of or interest in how other rooms do things.

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I can honestly say that Bay101 has been doing a better job of keeping the abuse to a minimum. I have seen 5 players 86'd, one was perma-banned (stealing, so she prolly doesn't count), for various levels of abuse or what-not in the last 2 months or so.