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also, your argument for why we should lynch Fmx is because no self respecting wolves would have kept him alive, and that because he is afk he needs to die?

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no, my argument for him is that I can't come up with a better argument for someone else right now, and I think he should go because it is easier to be afk as a wolf and keep from being lynched than to mix it up and keep from being lynched. The self respecting bit was a jab at the wolves for keeping an afk player alive if he is a villager, if he is a wolf not much they could do about it.

I also hate to admit it, but right now I am thinking a bit of who it would hurt less to lose to, and losing to an afk player stings a lot more than losing to someone who still looked village after posting a lot.

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if one wolf were voting for Fmx on D1 thats one thing, but when 3 wolves vote for fellow wolf Fmx, when two of them would have been better off throwing Kbar under, that means something.

GT1T made himself look suspicious by not talking about Kbar at all, so he could try and fps by pushing another wolf?

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if one wolf were voting for Fmx on D1 thats one thing, but when 3 wolves vote for fellow wolf Fmx, when two of them would have been better off throwing Kbar under, that means something.

GT1T made himself look suspicious by not talking about Kbar at all, so he could try and fps by pushing another wolf?

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I need to look at that wagon then. There is something in particular I want to look for, until then
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I'll post as I read:

I read the long weekend day with an open mind, without focusing on my wolf suspects (who were nich, clown and fnord) because two of them turned up village from the little I read today.

I felt as though supine was kinda beating the fact that he liked eskimo as a wolf into your heads that night. Please reread those last few hours of Sunday.

At first supine waffles and claims to reread everybody. He comes up with eskimo, clown and nich, and pretty much ignores fish and fnord.

Then he says he could vote either eskimo <u>or nich</u>, even saying he will <u>go nich first</u>; a short while later he says fnord and eskimo are his real suspects.

Supine's rationale from going from nichp to eskimo is LC and fnord talking about pirates, and thusly not wanting to go nich. LC then RETRACTS his statement, leaving an explanation by fnord which shouldn't push supine in either direction, IMO.

Even though his publicly stated case against eskimo is simply that his voting record was wolfy and his tone was off (ignoring dustin and LC who know that eskimo always sounds wolfy), supine ZEROES in on eskimo crazily, ignoring the 5 obviously viable (IMO) suspects he should have after his brief reread.

It's to the point that he refuses to change his vote, and only grudgingly votes nich even though he likes eskimo tons better, despite having had nich as a top suspect earlier as underlined (with no new evidence of any type brought up).

It's hilarious to see Scott and Dustin clear supine for the subsequent eskimo nightkill. There's no way that this kill is +EV for the wolves on level 1. No way.

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I just noticed that supine (and a bunch of other people) are lumping fnord and fishmonger together, probably because of their afkness early on. If there is one wolf among them, I predict that the wolves will like to talk about one being wolfy, but vote the other when it comes down to it.

It seems that fish and fnord are interchangable in lots of peoples minds and this is a scenario where you say one thing and do another without drawing much attention.

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I think scott/fnord/supine contains the wolves.

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Great list by LC imo.

Fishmonger is pushing me retardedly hard, like he's faking a seer peek or something. I'm not sure if a desperate wolf would do that. I'll have to reread fish and see when he started this hard-on for me, and maybe I can see if he's more a wolf or villager for that.

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I don't want to lynch fnord.

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Working off the tentative theory I have that fnord/supine is the wolf team, this is a juicy quote from a post where he does process of elimination and gives reasons that everyone besides clown/fish are villagers. Fnord doesn't get a reason though. HMMMM

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Bojtun, dustin and scott have been my surest villagers all game. I hate it if one of you are a wolf.


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From the same post by supine, if supine turns up wolf, I think he hemorrhaged these as villagers.

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Supine is my number one villager read

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Really, I'm less than convinced.

I'm liking my vote right now after his first post.

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and wtf wouldnt kbar just agree with this or not say anything if supine is a wolf?

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YES Dustin, kbar easily could. This is cast-suspicion-on-your-partners-so-you-can-vote-them-later-and-look-good 101.

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At first supine waffles and claims to reread everybody. He comes up with eskimo, clown and nich, and pretty much ignores fish and fnord.

Then he says he could vote either eskimo <u>or nich</u>, even saying he will <u>go nich first</u>; a short while later he says fnord and eskimo are his real suspects.


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I agree that a lot of Supine's actions have been wolfy. But his tone hasn't been at all and a lot of posts I dont see a newbie wolf making. IDK. If it comes down to it between Scott/Supine, have fun, but vote Scott, i think.

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actually there have been a few wolfy toned posts that I try and forget about

i will reread supine before the end of the day

but I think going fnord/fish or fish/fnord is right, even if supine is the last wolf. Regardless, one of me/you/boj will be around at the end to figure it out and I have faith in you both

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supine once again has only one wolf suspect as he zooms in on clown around 5pm yesterday.

supine's interactions with dustin seem to incriminate him more, also that post where he breaks down one, JUST ONE of gt1t's early lists is wolfy to me. But at this point I think some of it may be blinders because I am convinced I will be pushing supine very hard.


Thoughts about me: Scott, bojtun, LC and Dustin talk about my absence a lot, I feel that the last three (well, I know LC is) are villagers, I will clear Scott a little for that.

Scott is one of those players I still feel a little uncomfortable about.

My wolflist after the read:
supine - 90% wolf
fnord - 65% wolf
fish - 20%
scotth - 10% wolf
5% of chance of boj or dustin

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That's suprising, but I agree with Scott that the wolves did us a favor.

I fully expected to see Dustin dead today but was praying it was me.

First thought, Scott and Supine become even more clear. Why would Scott and Supine make a push for Eskimo (villager) when Nich (villager) was already on the hook?

If it's a leveling exercise, n1?

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This could turn out to be the dumbest post in the entire game.

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Deciding between fnord and fish is a little bit of a crapshoot for me.

I liked fnord better early on because he was playing classic wolf-fnord. Also, I believe that supine hemorrhaged fnord as his partner to some degree; I will reread supine's entire posting history for more things that will help me decide fnord vs fish.

The main piece of evidence against fish is that he has pushed me like crazy. But I havent played with fish enough (maybe at all?) to have player specific reads on him. Using general reads I might lean villager ever so slightly.

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my argument is that even if you think Scott/Supine is evil, its still correct going Fnord/Fish the next two days because there is no chance that one of them isn't evil, and it will make the final 3 a hell of a lot easier with them both dead.

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Scotthoward3.whatever

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?????

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Deciding between fnord and fish is a little bit of a crapshoot for me.

I liked fnord better early on because he was playing classic wolf-fnord. Also, I believe that supine hemorrhaged fnord as his partner to some degree; I will reread supine's entire posting history for more things that will help me decide fnord vs fish.

The main piece of evidence against fish is that he has pushed me like crazy. But I havent played with fish enough (maybe at all?) to have player specific reads on him. Using general reads I might lean villager ever so slightly.

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Fish pushed you like crazy? When?

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I dunno if I would have noticed supine being wolfy if I was still in fnord blinder mode on Sunday and Monday night. So maybe my absence from the thread is a blessing in disguise.

Either way, we did lynch people who needed to die before must-lynch, and I think the wolves will regret killing eskimo (maybe it was randed...). Even though we have swung and missed for a few days straight, I'm not really unhappy with where we are.

At any rate, I need to get started on my readthroughs of supine and fish.

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Scotthoward3.whatever

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?????? what????

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my argument is that even if you think Scott/Supine is evil, its still correct going Fnord/Fish the next two days because there is no chance that one of them isn't evil, and it will make the final 3 a hell of a lot easier with them both dead.

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Scott and supine isn't a possible wolf team??

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Deciding between fnord and fish is a little bit of a crapshoot for me.

I liked fnord better early on because he was playing classic wolf-fnord. Also, I believe that supine hemorrhaged fnord as his partner to some degree; I will reread supine's entire posting history for more things that will help me decide fnord vs fish.

The main piece of evidence against fish is that he has pushed me like crazy. But I havent played with fish enough (maybe at all?) to have player specific reads on him. Using general reads I might lean villager ever so slightly.

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Fish pushed you like crazy? When?

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The last couple of days, I'd be surprised if half of his posts weren't a vote/push for me

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my argument is that even if you think Scott/Supine is evil, its still correct going Fnord/Fish the next two days because there is no chance that one of them isn't evil, and it will make the final 3 a hell of a lot easier with them both dead.

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Scott and supine isn't a possible wolf team??

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i'd be shocked if they were both evil

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[0] bojtun voted for ScottHoward v3.1
[0] DustinG voted for fnord_too
<font color="red"> [1] fishmonger voted for fmxda </font>
<font color="red"> [1] fmxda </font>
<font color="red"> [1] fnord_too </font>
<font color="red"> [1] ScottHoward v3.1 </font>
[0] Supine voted for fishmonger

<font color="green"> 10:00 No good </font>
Majority Lynch = 4

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Either way, we did lynch people who needed to die before must-lynch, and I think the wolves will regret killing eskimo (maybe it was randed...). Even though we have swung and missed for a few days straight, I'm not really unhappy with where we are.


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i agree with this- killing eskimo was a big mistake and im happy about the game right now too

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my argument is that even if you think Scott/Supine is evil, its still correct going Fnord/Fish the next two days because there is no chance that one of them isn't evil, and it will make the final 3 a hell of a lot easier with them both dead.

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Scott and supine isn't a possible wolf team??

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i'd be shocked if they were both evil

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Other than the fact that you are multiplying alreadly-low individual wolf percentages (based on your reads), what interactions or events make you think that they can't be partners w each other?

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[0] bojtun voted for ScottHoward v3.1
[0] DustinG voted for fnord_too
<font color="red"> [1] fishmonger voted for fmxda </font>
<font color="red"> [1] fmxda </font>
<font color="red"> [1] fnord_too </font>
<font color="red"> [1] ScottHoward v3.1 </font>
[0] Supine voted for fishmonger

<font color="green"> 10:00 No good </font>
[b] Majority Lynch = 4

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thats pretty sexy

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my argument is that even if you think Scott/Supine is evil, its still correct going Fnord/Fish the next two days because there is no chance that one of them isn't evil, and it will make the final 3 a hell of a lot easier with them both dead.

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Scott and supine isn't a possible wolf team??

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i'd be shocked if they were both evil

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Other than the fact that you are multiplying alreadly-low individual wolf percentages (based on your reads), what interactions or events make you think that they can't be partners w each other?

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none- just the low percentages part

but maybe early d1 doesn't happen the way it did if they're all wolves

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[0] bojtun voted for ScottHoward v3.1
[0] DustinG voted for fnord_too
<font color="red"> [1] fishmonger voted for fmxda </font>
<font color="red"> [1] fmxda </font>
<font color="red"> [1] fnord_too </font>
<font color="red"> [1] ScottHoward v3.1 </font>
[0] Supine voted for fishmonger

<font color="green"> 10:00 No good </font>
Majority Lynch = 4

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thats pretty sexy

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sorry forgot a bold tag...

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just reskimmed d1, I admit that is +villager points for fmx.

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I am going to say no less than one of scott and botjun are a wolf. I'm not going to buy it yet, but I am going to try it on for size.

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fishmonger,

Detailed thoughts on people in the game not named fmxda?

Now that clowntable died and turned up villager, shouldn't you be thinking of people to be a possible wolf-partner to me?

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fishmonger,

Detailed thoughts on people in the game not named fmxda?

Now that clowntable died and turned up villager, shouldn't you be thinking of people to be a possible wolf-partner to me?

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he already named Fnord

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I am going to say no less than one of scott and botjun are a wolf. I'm not going to buy it yet, but I am going to try it on for size.

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i think the evidence that fmx is a villager has backed you into a corner

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I am going to say no less than one of scott and botjun are a wolf. I'm not going to buy it yet, but I am going to try it on for size.

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i think the evidence that fmx is a villager has backed you into a corner

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no, I am trying to figure out where that scott vote came from, I mean a line or two restating his reasons if they were presented before would have been nice. Also, I did not say it cleared him, I said it was +vil. And LOL at backed into a corner, unless you mean that as a villager plus because the village has been up against it since day 3.

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Ok, here's my latest: scott is good enough to pull off villagery this long as a wolf. I don't like the thought of doing a complete reread on dustin, so I'm not going to. I'll wait for scott's big play then vote for scott or supine or bojtun or maybe even fish. Probably supine though.

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I'll wait for scott's big play then vote for scott or supine or bojtun or maybe even fish. Probably supine though.

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so basically everyone but me and Fmx (who you started the day voting)

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im going to take a nap

if anyone is dead besides fish or fnord when i wake up, that would be bad

fish might be a better vote than fnord

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vote supine

Yay, 5-way tie

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And yeah, after my reread, I might put fnord and fish on even ground.

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I'll wait for scott's big play then vote for scott or supine or bojtun or maybe even fish. Probably supine though.

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so basically everyone but me and Fmx (who you started the day voting)

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Yeah, pretty much I'm lost. I didn't start the day voting fmx, I came around to it after a while.

w/e. If we don't lynch a wolf today tomorrow is going to be just sick. 3 v 2 is just painful for the village.

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I'll wait for scott's big play then vote for scott or supine or bojtun or maybe even fish. Probably supine though.

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so basically everyone but me and Fmx (who you started the day voting)

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Yeah, pretty much I'm lost. I didn't start the day voting fmx, I came around to it after a while.

w/e. If we don't lynch a wolf today tomorrow is going to be just sick. 3 v 2 is just painful for the village.

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fnord, what if i told you i thought dustin was a wolf?

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I'll wait for scott's big play then vote for scott or supine or bojtun or maybe even fish. Probably supine though.

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so basically everyone but me and Fmx (who you started the day voting)

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Yeah, pretty much I'm lost. I didn't start the day voting fmx, I came around to it after a while.

w/e. If we don't lynch a wolf today tomorrow is going to be just sick. 3 v 2 is just painful for the village.

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fnord, what if i told you i thought dustin was a wolf?

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I have not ruled him out, but I think if he is not he gets eaten tonight &gt;50%, and if you were going to push him I would have to go back and do a complete reread because he has like 25% of the posts in the thread I think.

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id love it very much if you would reread him please. i know you said it was too much, but please do.
we are all having trouble finding the last two wolves, and the reason is because weve been guided by one of them all game.
and if dustin is a wolf, the other wolf is nutjob. somebody tell me that doesnt make sense.
i just finished a long post about this, im gonna post it now before i go, and hopefully everybody rereads dustin/nutjob and sees what i see.