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benlj21 11-15-2007 01:12 PM

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 
this would be better in TV forum but there was a hand on PAD where Phil H limped in and someone raised and he was talking about his hand, basically giving away its strength. Jen said something like "you wouldn't give away your hand by talking would you" and Phil said "no they know I have a big hand" etc when it was obv from his previous talk that he had a very marginal hand and probably wasn't going to call. So basically he did give his hand away then weakly tried to cover it up, very donkish imo.

Daddy Warbucks 11-15-2007 02:03 PM

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I love how he says stuff like "I used to crush all the cash games 10 years ago."

I wonder if he has any idea how incredibly soft those games must've been back then compared to today's games. I mean, live poker NOW is soft, can you imagine pre-poker boom cash games? mmmmmm

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as someone who has been playing for a decade (pro for 7 years), i can tell you that is NOT true. yes, the great players are better now, but the bad players are much worse these days and there are more of them.

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Yeah, its kind of a double edge sword, while there wasn't as much literature/learning tools back then, poker wasn't as trendy, so there was a lot less dead money.

F0rtysxity 11-15-2007 02:18 PM

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 
If you don't consider Phil a great NL hold'em tournament player then you're a fool.

Next.

VitoT 11-15-2007 02:19 PM

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 
so what is the correct link to the video ?

The 13th 4postle 11-15-2007 02:35 PM

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 
Obviously Phil Hellmuth has proved that he is the best NLHE Tournament player... I don't think anyone doubts that but what they do doubt is that he is a great cash game player which he is not.

You have to give it too him though, he plays at his strengths and makes a lot of money.

I really doubt he plays the highest stakes on FTP lol...

Redgrape 11-15-2007 02:55 PM

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 
Can someone call out Hellmuth please?

ActionFreak 11-15-2007 02:56 PM

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 
i would really like to know how many tournaments Hellmuth and the other leading bracelet winners have played in. it would be interesting to know winning percentages and final table percentages

TheMainEvent 11-15-2007 03:21 PM

Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
 
I love to hate on Phil but I have to admit he makes some bizarre precise reads with not much information that have no logical explaination to me. Not like DN who just guesses every possible hand and occasionally gets it right, Phil seems to be right a lot more than he should be.

zen_rounder 11-15-2007 04:25 PM

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good at holdem donkaments for sure. the wsop horse episodes on espn where they interveiw players in the chair,it was hilarious when it was hellmouths time to tell the world how it is!

DavidSRT 11-15-2007 05:23 PM

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are you implying there's someone better?

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ZOMG unpossible do not speak such blasphelmuth

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lol, i second this

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I LOLed


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